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A Senate enquiry instigated by the Libs to check details of ther own IR proposals. Surprised

Interesting concept! Confused

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Minister flags senate IR probe
By Denis Peters
August 15, 2005/the AUSTRALIAN

THE Federal Government has foreshadowed a Senate inquiry into its own contentious overhaul of industrial relations.

The Government would probably set up the Senate inquiry to check details of complex legislation underpinning the reforms, Workplace Relations Minister Kevin Andrews said today in a surprise announcement.

Such inquiries, which give the Opposition the chance to delve into detail of legislation, were expected to be few and far between after the Government took control of the Senate on July 1.

The move also follows concern in The Nationals and among Liberal backbenchers about the impact of the changes on workers and their families.

Experts have meanwhile said the Government is wallowing in hundreds of legal issues from a virtual rewriting of the Workplace Relations Act, and they have warned of major delays in drafting the legislation.

But Mr Andrews said the Government still hoped the legislation would pass through Parliament by the end of the year... <cont>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16267551%255E1702,00.html

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.... Meanwhile, the Government says it is not planning to cut the minimum standards for paid bereavement and sick leave.

The Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) says it has new evidence that the Government wants to cut the minimum standards for workers' sick leave entitlements.

The unions have seized on a government website promoting Australian Workplace Agreements where paid sick and bereavement leave have been traded in for higher incomes and better allowances.

But Mr Andrews says workers will be protected in the legislation when it is unveiled later this year.

"We're not proposing to cut the standards," he said.

Mr Andrews says under the current system, many workers have already traded away some of these entitlements.

The ACTU president Sharon Burrow says allowances for items such as cars should be negotiated, but not at the expense of leave entitlements.

She says the trade-off is not a fair compensation for sick leave benefits.

"Sick leave was never about wages, it was about safety net conditions," she said.

"And where employees force people to cash-out their sick leave they're basically saying, 'if something happens to you or your family, you simply don't get paid while you deal with that crisis'."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1437884.htm

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msolga wrote:

Which one? There were a few.

The Robin Hood one.

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Ah.

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msolga wrote:

Well, whatever his story & motives, he's doing a great job of exposing JH's lack of principles! GO BARNABY!

Hang on! He's not turning into a paper tiger, already, surely? After all that publicity? Rolling Eyes

So it was all just a wee power play by the Nats? An ambit claim for the sale of Telstra? (And not a particularly adequate one, at that.) Oh well, back to business as usual soon, I guess ..... <sigh>

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But then again, maybe not!:

msolga wrote:

A Senate enquiry instigated by the Libs to check details of ther own IR proposals. Interesting concept! :

Minister flags senate IR probe
By Denis Peters
August 15, 2005/the AUSTRALIAN

THE Federal Government has foreshadowed a Senate inquiry into its own contentious overhaul of industrial relations.

The Government would probably set up the Senate inquiry to check details of complex legislation underpinning the reforms, Workplace Relations Minister Kevin Andrews said today in a surprise announcement.

Such inquiries, which give the Opposition the chance to delve into detail of legislation, were expected to be few and far between after the Government took control of the Senate on July 1.

The move also follows concern in The Nationals and among Liberal backbenchers about the impact of the changes on workers and their families...... <cont>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16267551%255E1702,00.html

But this is what JH said about the idea today:

..."There won't be a Senate inquiry into an extreme industrial relations proposal because there is no such proposal. I want to make that perfectly clear," he said.

"But the question of whether there will be a Senate inquiry into this or any other piece of legislation will of course be a question for the Senate." (where the government has a majority.) Rolling Eyes

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1438919.htm

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I heard the grab on ABC radio. JH was responding to a point by KB and of course he played semantics. He did have to allow that he can't tell the Senate what to do though. Hah! He'll have his attack dogs in there rounding up the Lib/Nat Senators. It's BOHICA time.

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I have pondered for a bit, but am forced to plead ignorance & ask:

BOHICA: Meaning, please?

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It's a bit crude, not a swear word just a bit rough. It's a reference to a phrase, I think North American in origin, which sums up the feelings of a beleaguered and alienated workforce or other group which has no power to fight back against what is being repeatedly visited against it.

Bend Over Here It Comes Again.

Sorry but JH and his mob are on an ideological war against the populace and what happens? We say JH and his mob are doing a great job. JH stays high in the polls despite being exposed as a serial political liar and Labor sinks in the polls even as the ACTU is fighting a rearguard to retain hard-fought and hard-won working conditions.

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goodfielder wrote:

Bend Over Here It Comes Again.

Sorry but JH and his mob are on an ideological war against the populace and what happens? We say JH and his mob are doing a great job. JH stays high in the polls despite being exposed as a serial political liar and Labor sinks in the polls even as the ACTU is fighting a rearguard to retain hard-fought and hard-won working conditions.

Yes, it's apt, isn't it? <sigh>

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DON'T mention the "T" word! Evil or Very Mad

http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/green-light-for-full-sale-of-telstra/2005/08/17/1123958090371.html?oneclick=true

Jeeze!

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http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5038372,00.jpg

Yep!

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Such is life - er - I mean - such is politics
Confused

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Yep! Why do we take it so seriously? Confused

Silly bugger for presenting himself as some sort of hero & savior! What a fall this is going to be! Rolling Eyes

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I heard on radio that the Canberra Press Gallery is turning on him. Now I'm aware that they're an incestuous and sometimes obsequious bunch (they remind me very much of the description of Parisian waiters that George Orwell wrote about in his "Down and Out in London and Paris") but they're influential.

I suspect Barnaby is going to be a non-entity.

But I also think that it won't stop.

I was listening today on ABC radio to Harry Evans, the Clerk of the Senate, being attacked by the Libs over his very temperate comments that the propaganda campaign being paid for by the Aussie taxpayer re the IR changes, is probably illegal. I got the distinct feeling that Howard's Libs are taking a leaf out of Rove's Republicans. But I don't know that Ozzians will wear it. We shall see. At least Harry Evans gave it right back at them Very Happy

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goodfielder wrote:

I was listening today on ABC radio to Harry Evans, the Clerk of the Senate, being attacked by the Libs over his very temperate comments that the propaganda campaign being paid for by the Aussie taxpayer re the IR changes, is probably illegal. I got the distinct feeling that Howard's Libs are taking a leaf out of Rove's Republicans. But I don't know that Ozzians will wear it. We shall see. At least Harry Evans gave it right back at them

Yes, I heard that, too! On PM tonight. I was totally outraged by the threatening nature of the comments made about him. Hell, he was only say what everyone has be thinking! I hope he gets some decent support from KB & the rest. Outrageous! Shocked

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And what about this nonsense? Razz

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'Pomposity gone mad' claims Hawke
August 19, 2005 - 9:49AM/the AGE

Former prime minister Bob Hawke says a ban on the word "mate" in the halls of Parliament House signals the erosion of Australia's egalitarian ways.

"It's pomposity gone mad," Mr Hawke told ABC radio.... <cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/pomposity-gone-mad-claims-hawke/2005/08/19/1123958210566.html?oneclick=true

Ban calling parliamentarians "mate?". Good grief, who in their right mind could thinking calling ANYONE mate could be offensive? Confused

I listened to a very funny session on Jon Faine's morning program on local ABC radio this morning, where listeners were suggesting all ministers should be given appropriate "mate" titles, like: The Treasurer could be called Cheque Mate or Esti Mate, the prime Minister =Prime Mate, the education minister = School Mate, the minister for foreign affairs = Proxy Mate, etc, etc, etc .....Very silly stuff! Laughing

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lolololol - what a hoot!! Very Happy

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