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The NEXT coming Oz election thread!

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:03 am
OK!
Ready, RJB?
Here we go! Very Happy :

* the "oh captain my captain"/Nats' leaky boat refers to the resignation of John Anderson from the leadership of the National Party. (The Nats are the junior partner in Coalition government with the Liberal Party) As you can see, not all is wonderful in the Nats' boat.

* John Howard, leader of the Liberal Party, is stuck on a reef, looking for a way out. There's been an enquiry into abysmal & shocking happenings in the immigration area of government responsiblity. The enquiry has come to some damning conclusions about detention centres & other scandals too numerous to mention Rolling Eyes , though I don't think all the details have been released yet. (?)

* At the bottom right is Kim Beazley, Leader of the Labor Party, whose been getting nowhere fast in the polls. He is changing his shadow cabinet in the hope of improving his party's performance. It NEEDS improving, trust me! Sad

* the Democrats are sunk, Pure & simple. No longer relevant.

* In July the Liberal Government will have a majority in both houses of parliament. This is the big opportunity to introduce some nasty legislation (like IR "reforms") that would never have been accepted by the Senate )house of review) before. If you thought things were bad before, you aint seen nothin' yet! You could say that the "car crash" is about to happen in Oz come July! It is going to be tough for Labor & the trade unions especially. <sigh>
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 03:34 pm
Thank you for that explanation, msolga. I appreciate your patience in explaining it to me. Looks like things could get nasty (from your vantage point). But the IR scandal? Does it have enough legs that it could (to mix metephors badly) leave Mr Howard's fingerprints on it?
Mr Bush's ratings are slumping noticably as more and more Americans feel that we are in a quagmire in Iraq and as the issue of abuse at the detainee base in Cuba is reported. Johnboy is a Vietnam vet. I fear that this issue may not rival that one in its divisiveness yet, but it could come to that.
Johnboy is addicted to on-line scrabble. Through the wonder of the computer I not only get to play that game (badly) but I can chat with my opponent. I often play around 9 pm my time which is early in the morning yall's time. I catch a lot of players from OZ. We chat, they are amazed that I know a bit about your place, and they all profess to dislike Howard. Strange.
I am reminded of a baseball player with the unlikely name of Yogi Berra. Quite a character who would, seemingly off the top of his head, say some bizarre things, one of which might be apropo to Mr Howard: "No one goes to ( that restaurant), it's too crowded." Where does Mr Howard get his support if not from A2K or on-line Scrabble players? Someone, a lot of someones, like him. Right?
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2005 08:10 pm
RJB

Obviously John Howard must have a strong support base in the Oz electorate, otherwise how would his party win election after election? But, the interesting thing is this, never have I come across one person whose declared her/himself to be a Howard supporter/voter. Honestly, not one! It appears that it's secret voters' business, or else I'm moving in totally the wrong circles! :wink:
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2005 08:14 pm
Sunday AGE Editorial:
Labor's crossroads
June 26, 2005

Just when Australia needs an effective Opposition, federal Labor has all but gone missing in action. A reshuffle of frontbench positions last Friday gave some semblance of activity, but not order. As the Howard Government readies itself to take full control of the Federal Parliament on Friday, the Australian Labor Party faces the bleak prospect of a return to the 1960s - with one important difference. Even in the darkest days of Labor's postwar oblivion, the electorate still had a reasonably clear idea of the ideals for which the party stood. The same cannot be said of Labor in the early years of the 21st century. .... <cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/editorial/labors-crossroads/2005/06/25/1119321937983.html?oneclick=true
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 12:15 am
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/06/27/wbCARTOONpetty_gallery__550x394,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 12:23 am
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/06/27/tuesdaytoon_gallery__550x310,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 12:31 am
... & then there's the speculation about the future (yawn) leadership of the Liberal Party:

http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5021428,00.jpg


Very funny! Laughing
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 06:12 am
Looks an "interesting" read! And what impeccable timing!:

Labor a party without hope, says Latham
June 28, 2005 - 7:45PM

Kim Beazley is a stand-for-nothing politician leading a party with no future while three state premiers are "A-grade arseholes", former Labor leader Mark Latham says in a new book.

In his first comments on the ALP since resigning due to health problems in January, Mr Latham says the Labor Party is beyond repair, having become a machine political operation... <cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/labor-a-party-without-hope-says-latham/2005/06/28/1119724632858.html?oneclick=true

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/06/28/cartoon_2906_gallery__550x384.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 08:15 am
Thousands set to protest IR reforms
June 28, 2005 - 4:51PM/the AGE

Victorian union leaders are confident a rally against planned changes to federal industrial laws in Melbourne on Thursday will be the largest protest the city has seen for 15 years.

Brian Boyd, secretary of the Victorian Trades Hall Council, said tens of thousands of people are expected at the rally, which will start at Trades Hall and march to the Flinders Street station.

Federal opposition leader Kim Beazley will be a speaker along with Victoria's Industrial Relations Minister, Rob Hulls.

Dozens of Melbourne-based staff from Workplace Relations Minister Kevin Andrews' own department walked off the job at lunchtime today as a precursor for Thursday's rally.... <cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/thousands-set-to-protest-ir-reforms/2005/06/28/1119724627436.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 02:16 am
Last Update: Wednesday, June 29, 2005. 6:06pm (AEST)
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200506/r51088_136303.jpg
Former Labor leader Mark Latham has told his biographer the Labor Party is run by machine men (ABC )

'Significant flaws' brought Latham down

Labor Senator John Faulkner has launched a biography of the former Opposition leader Mark Latham, saying he was chosen for his real and important strengths but was ultimately brought down by significant flaws.

In the book by journalist Bernard Lagan, Mr Latham has attacked the current Opposition Leader Kim Beazley and says Labor is a spent force in Australian politics.

Senator Faulkner says Mr Latham was a bold politician but was a loner, who was unwilling to trust those around him.

He says the gladiatorial culture of the New South Wales Right faction of the party, which produced Mr Latham, may also have played a role in his downfall.

"That cost us and it cost Mark," he said.

"Both Mark Latham and the party he led were hurt by our own culture.

"And both the party and the leader were hurt by Labor's desire for a messiah to save us - to save us from ourselves as much as from outside forces."

Treasurer Peter Costello says the book about Mr Latham shows Labor is a party looking for a reason to exist.

"I think the point about Mark Latham's revelations is he was the Labor leader as recently as January of this year, not even six months ago," he said.

"He knew the Labor Party inside out - when he says that the Labor Party doesn't stand for anything and it's dysfunctional, he knows."

Public misled

Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer says the book shows the federal Opposition has misled the public about Labor's policy on Iraq.

The book states the Opposition's foreign affairs spokesman Kevin Rudd went to great lengths to urge Mr Latham not to promise that Labor would bring the troops home by Christmas.

It says Mr Rudd was infuriated when the promise was made by Mr Latham, because he felt it would "wreck the improvement in relations" between the ALP and the Bush administration.

Mr Downer says that directly contradicts Mr Rudd's public statements that the shadow ministry supported the policy.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200506/s1403428.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 03:23 am
I've been house-bound for most of today (a nasty cold) & have listened to the ABC's coverage of Bernard Lagan's book about Mark Latham, on & off...

A few random comments, if I may, & if you're remotely interested at this stage.:

* Mark Latham didn't lose the last election single-handedly. I'm getting tired of hearing about how this one "deeply flawed" individual caused so much harm to the whole party. He gained the leadership by just one vote, remember? The Labor Party was going to lose anyway & installing Latham into the leadership was a desperate move from a desperate party, willing to try anything to minimize the inevitable loss.

* Latham was allowed too much responsiblity & freedom to decide policy on the run during the election. Inevitably he made some mistakes that went over like a lead balloon in the media & community.

* With "friends" like the NSW Right who needs enemies? Rolling Eyes They didn't properly support Latham's bid & had already undermined Simon Crean's leadership before that. They now have an acceptable (to them)leader who is not exactly performing well at such a critical time. I'd argue that factional differences, & lack of unity as a result, had as much to do with Labor's loss as Latham's "flawed" personality & campaign. Latham has now gone. What is the NSW Right doing to improve the ALP's electoral chances? (say nothing of opposing Howard's proposed IR "reforms" in the Senate?)

* Mark Latham is absolutely right: The ALP (as it's operating at the moment) is useless! The sooner we accept that some drastic rethinking needs to be done, the better! Sure, he's probably bitter & twisted & feels used by the party (& why shouldn't he?), but it's almost a relief to have someone come out & state the obvious: We don't have a viable opposition in this country. Sad We need to do something!

* The role of the media: I've been thinking about this a lot in regard to the response to Latham's loss & also more recently, "mistakes" by Beazley. There is this smug, know-all attitude that anything perceived as vaguely "left" is patently foolish, reckless & unthinkable. Take Beazley's stand on the tax concessions: To me, the gains were going to the people who didn't really need it (the wealthy), not those to whom some tax relief would make some real difference: low & middle income earners & the unemployed. I thought Beazley's response was quite justifiable & reasonable, but response from the commentators! It was as if he'd suddenly gone quite mad, lost all judgement .... This was Beazley's sole attempt to appeal to ALP members, the electorate, potential voters & he's told he's inept & naive. Just imagine, for one minute, if the media had given his arguments a half decent hearing. But they haven't even addressed his any of his arguments! These are the same media commentators who constantly marvel at John Howard's skill & cleverness at getting away with everything from the introduction of the GST, involving Australia in the Iraq invasion, surviving one broken promise after another ....

* I, for one, will be very interested to read Latham's diaries. I want to know what happens behind the scenes, how the ALP machine actually works, what deals were made, why the party's in the mess it's in.

Phew! Thanks if you've read through all this! Like I said, just some random thoughts ...
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 03:28 am
I've been house-bound for most of today (a nasty cold) & have listened to the ABC's coverage of Bernard Lagan's book about Mark Latham, on & off...

A few random comments, if I may, & if you're remotely interested at this stage.:

* Mark Latham didn't lose the last election single-handedly. I'm getting tired of hearing about how this one "deeply flawed" individual caused so much harm to the whole party. He gained the leadership by just one vote, remember? The Labor Party was going to lose anyway & installing Latham into the leadership was a desperate move from a desperate party, willing to try anything to minimize the inevitable loss.

* Latham was allowed too much responsiblity & freedom to decide policy on the run during the election. Inevitably he made some mistakes that went over like a lead balloon in the media & community.

* With "friends" like the NSW Right who needs enemies? Rolling Eyes They didn't properly support Latham's bid & had already undermined Simon Crean's leadership before that. They now have an acceptable (to them)leader who is not exactly performing well at such a critical time. I'd argue that factional differences, & lack of unity as a result, had as much to do with Labor's loss as Latham's "flawed" personality & campaign. Latham has now gone. What is the NSW Right doing to improve the ALP's electoral chances? (say nothing of opposing Howard's proposed IR "reforms" in the Senate?)

* Mark Latham is absolutely right: The ALP (as it's operating at the moment) is useless! The sooner we accept that some drastic rethinking needs to be done, the better! Sure, he's probably bitter & twisted & feels used by the party (& why shouldn't he?), but it's almost a relief to have someone come out & state the obvious: We don't have a viable opposition in this country. Sad It's critical we do. What are we going to do about it?

* The role of the media: I've been thinking about this a lot in regard to the response to Latham's loss & also more recently, "mistakes" by Beazley. There is this smug, know-all attitude that anything perceived as vaguely "left" is patently foolish, reckless & unthinkable. Take Beazley's stand on the tax concessions: To me, the financial gains were going to the people who were already well off, not those to whom some tax relief would make some real difference: low & middle income earners & the unemployed. I thought Beazley's position was quite justifiable & reasonable, but response from the commentators! It was as if he'd suddenly gone quite mad, lost all judgement .... This was Beazley's sole attempt to appeal to ALP members, the electorate, potential voters & he's told he's inept & naive. Just imagine, for one minute, if the media had given his arguments a half decent hearing. But they haven't even addressed his any of his arguments! These are the same media commentators who constantly marvel at John Howard's skill & cleverness at getting away with everything from the introduction of the GST, involving Australia in the Iraq invasion, surviving one broken promise after another ....

* I, for one, will be very interested to read Latham's diaries. I want to know what happens behind the scenes, how the ALP machine actually works, what deals were made, why the party's in the mess it's in.

Phew! Thanks if you've read through all this! Like I said, just some random thoughts ...
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 04:49 am
msolga wrote:

* Mark Latham didn't lose the last election single-handedly. I'm getting tired of hearing about how this one "deeply flawed" individual caused so much harm to the whole party. He gained the leadership by just one vote, remember? The Labor Party was going to lose anyway & installing Latham into the leadership was a desperate move from a desperate party, willing to try anything to minimize the inevitable loss....


Watching the 7.30 Report this evening it was instructive to see how they treated Latham. Someone said during the day they held him up as a Messiah. Perhaps he was really just a naughty boy Very Happy It was just a bit sad.


msolga wrote:
* Latham was allowed too much responsiblity & freedom to decide policy on the run during the election. Inevitably he made some mistakes that went over like a lead balloon in the media & community....


Why "troops home by Christmas"? I heard a recording of the interview with Mike Carlton and for mine Carlton led him to that statement. I'm not blaming Carlton but Latham needed to back off from it. He didn't and plunged on. He had a couple of chances to reneg but wouldn't. That was not a good thing.

msolga wrote:
* With "friends" like the NSW Right who needs enemies? Rolling Eyes They didn't properly support Latham's bid & had already undermined Simon Crean's leadership before that. They now have an acceptable (to them)leader who is not exactly performing well at such a critical time. I'd argue that factional differences, & lack of unity as a result, had as much to do with Labor's loss as Latham's "flawed" personality & campaign. Latham has now gone. What is the NSW Right doing to improve the ALP's electoral chances? (say nothing of opposing Howard's proposed IR "reforms" in the Senate?)...


The NSW Right is to be sure a terrifying political machine. I'm sick of them but I'm not that keen on the Tomato Left in Victoria either (and to be fair I'm extremely cheesed off with The Machine here in SA)

msolga wrote:
* Mark Latham is absolutely right: The ALP (as it's operating at the moment) is useless! The sooner we accept that some drastic rethinking needs to be done, the better! Sure, he's probably bitter & twisted & feels used by the party (& why shouldn't he?), but it's almost a relief to have someone come out & state the obvious: We don't have a viable opposition in this country. Sad It's critical we do. What are we going to do about it?...


I'm going to be simplistic. Policies and policies that offer voters an alternative to Howard. I think the electorate nowadays is not welded on. Howard spotted that and used it to his advantage. Voters are more like consumers. At present they have two almost identical brands. Given that why would they wish the untested one? Labor has to get away from the right of centre and get back to where it belongs but it has to have solid policies that appeal. I don't mean promises or statements of aspiration, I mean solid policies.

msolga wrote:
* The role of the media: I've been thinking about this a lot in regard to the response to Latham's loss & also more recently, "mistakes" by Beazley. There is this smug, know-all attitude that anything perceived as vaguely "left" is patently foolish, reckless & unthinkable. Take Beazley's stand on the tax concessions: To me, the financial gains were going to the people who were already well off, not those to whom some tax relief would make some real difference: low & middle income earners & the unemployed. I thought Beazley's position was quite justifiable & reasonable, but response from the commentators! It was as if he'd suddenly gone quite mad, lost all judgement .... This was Beazley's sole attempt to appeal to ALP members, the electorate, potential voters & he's told he's inept & naive. Just imagine, for one minute, if the media had given his arguments a half decent hearing. But they haven't even addressed his any of his arguments! These are the same media commentators who constantly marvel at John Howard's skill & cleverness at getting away with everything from the introduction of the GST, involving Australia in the Iraq invasion, surviving one broken promise after another .......


The media have managed to portray a singular view of the world. The World According to Rupert. There can be no other way. Market mania. Labor needs to show that this is a complete con.

msolga wrote:

* I, for one, will be very interested to read Latham's diaries. I want to know what happens behind the scenes, how the ALP machine actually works, what deals were made, why the party's in the mess it's in. ...



It needs a major cleanout.

msolga wrote:
Phew! Thanks if you've read through all this! Like I said, just some random thoughts ...


Good thoughts.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 06:56 am
Thank you for reading all that & for your thoughtful responses, goodfielder. I wish we Australians at A2K could share our thoughts about the Oz political process a bit more than we do. We are probably just different hues of the same colour, really, but I think discussing those different views could be very interesting.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 12:13 am
Tens of thousands march against IR changes
By Adam Morton
June 30, 2005 - 12:16PM/the AGE


http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/06/30/kim_beazley_wideweb__430x280.jpg
Kim Beazley shakes a protester's hand before addressing the rally today.
Photo: Angela Wylie


The centre of Melbourne has come to a standstill with up to 100,000 protesters filling Swanston Street to fight the Howard Government's proposed workplace laws.

Opposition Leader Kim Beazley was hugged and cheered as he waded into the crowd as it moved from Trades Hall in Lygon Street, Carlton to Flinders Street Station.

The crowd, a cross-section of blue and white-collar workers, many with children, chanted "Shame Howard, shame'' and "Beazley's our man'' as the Labor leader joined his deputy, Jenny Macklin, and union chiefs at the head of the march.

Others chanted: "What do we want? Howard's head!''... <cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/union-movement-rallies/2005/06/30/1119724728517.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 12:40 am
I've just returned home after the rally in the city. It certainly was big - at one stage when most of us had reached the destination at Flinders Street station, others were still at the Trades Hall building in Carlton, waiting to set off. The mood of this rally felt much more sombre than any other I've been involved in .... There was none of that sense of elation at taking over the streets, very little chanting, no hi jinx & fun ... just a lot of quietly serious people with a grim sense of purpose.
The organizers stressed a number of times that this was not just a trade union backlash against Howard's I R proposals, but very much a community protest, too. The choice of speakers reflected this: Kim Beazley, union & state government representatives, a representative from Victorian ethnic organizations & Father Peter Norden a Catholic priest & community activist. We were warned that this was just the start of the campaign & that we were in for long, protracted struggle.

Photographs from the Melbourne rally:
http://www.theage.com.au/photogallery/2005/06/30/1119724738197.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 12:57 am
Hey, it'd be good to get some reports of rallies in the other states. Hope they weren't as cold & wet as it was here ... Brrrrrrrrrrrr!
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 05:09 am
It was on in Adelaide this afternoon. It got a fairly reasonable media coverage. I like the idea of linking it closely with broad community interests. I can see what they're trying to do using that tactic and I really hope it works. In a sense it's a test for the ALP as well. They have the ability to destroy it should they choose, to reject their links with Australia's workers. I don't think they will. Instead I think the concept of "worker" will be broadened out when people realise that even Howard's white-collar aspirants are under the hammer.

And this on Macquarie Bank's so-called "envelope day", when the million dollar bonuses for the year are dropped on the desks of their many executives. Non-productive drones paid a million dollars as a bonus on already fabulous salaries. Is there something wrong with this country? You bet there is.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:16 pm
goodfielder wrote:
...And this on Macquarie Bank's so-called "envelope day", when the million dollar bonuses for the year are dropped on the desks of their many executives. Non-productive drones paid a million dollars as a bonus on already fabulous salaries. Is there something wrong with this country? You bet there is.


goodfielder

Indeed. My friend W, who attended the rally with me yesterday, made that very same comment: How obscene that ordinary working people have to take to the streets to try to hold onto such long accepted rights to a decent standard of living, when the Macquarie Bank's executive's happily accept their envelopes as entitlements! Even failed CEOs can get humongous pay-outs, too, as "good bye" gestures. Strange place, Oz these days!
(Incidentally W & I first become friends through branch activities many years ago, as new teachers. What times they were! Very Happy Who would have thought, all this time later, that she & I would be standing in the streets of Melbourne protesting expected the loss of basic workers' rights? Very, very strange! Rolling Eyes )

"In a sense it's a test for the ALP as well. They have the ability to destroy it should they choose, to reject their links with Australia's workers. I don't think they will. Instead I think the concept of "worker" will be broadened out when people realise that even Howard's white-collar aspirants are under the hammer."

Yes, I hope the ALP does a quick re-think on strategies & gets its act together. I hope it rises to the occasion. Australia's sunk if not!
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 08:28 pm
Last Update: Friday, July 1, 2005. 11:00am (AEST)

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200506/r51281_136936.jpg
Unions have organised protests across Australia against the IR changes. (ABC)

Thousands attend Sydney rally over IR changes

Thousands of people have packed Sydney's Town Hall in protest against the federal Government's proposed industrial relations changes.

The meeting is the focus of action across New South Wales today.

It was standing room only at Sydney's Town Hall as numerous unions watched a state-wide television hook-up outlining how the industrial relations changes will affect them.

Secretary of Unions NSW John Robertson told those gathered that the removal of unfair dismissal rights for workers in companies with less than 100 employees is among their chief concerns.

"You'll become a second class citizen, you'll be able to be dismissed without reason, sacked on the spot with no recourse to an independent body," he said.

Central Sydney is expected to grind to a halt when the thousands of protesters leave Town Hall and make their way to the Harbour Bridge where they will erect a banner
.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200507/s1404680.htm
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