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The NEXT coming Oz election thread!

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2005 05:45 am
Good heavens, I would hardly describe myself as an expert in economics, either! Laughing
What I objected to in Keatings changes was the suddenness & lack of support for the workers who lost their jobs as a result of deregulation. For example, there were whole areas in inner-city Melbourne (Brunswick, Richmond, Collingwood, etc) that were suddenly full of empty factory buildings where the clothing & footwear businesses used to be. These businesses couldn't possibly compete with the far cheaper imports from China & Taiwan. Many of the workers who lost their jobs were migrant women who had held those positions for years. It's always bothered me that the best thing for "the economy" was the very thing that lowered the living standards of these people. It could have been different had there been some genuine effort made to retrain them, or find them other work, but that didn't happen.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2005 03:25 am
Whoops! This article was accidentally deleted!
Sorry!
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2005 12:52 am
That's the way - they must keep hammering away at the Coalition. The lies are starting to be exposed and that all important swinging voter is suddenly starting to wake up to it.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2005 12:54 am
Even the media is turning.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2005 02:15 am
Costello's welfare nightmare
April 27, 2005/the AGE

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/26/27s_opinion_wideweb__430x298,1.jpg
Illustration: Spooner

Budget plans to tighten benefits could spell political trouble, writes Michelle Grattan.

John Howard's attention while overseas might have been publicly on free trade agreements and Gallipoli, but privately he has had plenty of domestic homework about the welfare-to-work package - the policy centrepiece of Peter Costello's 10th budget on May 10.

It is not unusual for budget decisions to be worked on late, but this one is especially important for both PM and Treasurer.

Changing the rules for the disability support pension and the parenting payment is proving very complicated. And it's clearly politically fraught - not least because it could push up unemployment. No wonder there's last-minute agonising.

The Government has a big opportunity to advance welfare reform. Botch the job, and it would be difficult to return to it. Do it well, and it could be a building block for further change. Get this wrong and the controversy could work against Peter Costello just when he wants to look his best as future prime minister.

There will be no restraint imposed by the new Senate. But the nature of politics is that when one constraint disappears, others (albeit not as direct) can appear.

The coalition back bench is more bolshie than last term, inclined to speak out when it thinks mistakes have been made. And, despite the Government's strong position, there's always the next election to think about.

Some 700,000 people are on the disability support pension and more than 600,000 (mostly single mothers) on the parenting payment. This is too many - good neither for the country nor for many individuals.

As Costello keeps saying, with an ageing population, we need to maximise the workforce. And the path a better life is through work, where that's possible. It's potentially the best way out of poverty and isolation.

The path to a better life is through work, where that's possible. It's potentially the best way out of poverty and isolation.Having said that, attempting to get the balance and detail right can end in a mire.

Obviously, it's a very good time to try to get people off welfare and into work, part-time or full-time. Unemployment is low; the economy, though slowing, is strong. Even in these circumstances, however, and with a package that is full of training, child care and other support to help people make the transition, many won't be able to get jobs soon or perhaps ever.

Labour might be in short supply and the unemployment rate down to 5.1 per cent, but it's still a market out there and employers will go first for the most attractive candidates. The disabled, single mothers whose child-caring responsibilities might intrude, and older (often retrenched) people will still start behind the eight ball.

The big political fear is that if many seek and fail to get jobs, the Government could have bad news on unemployment. Federal departments are divided about the effect.

The Department of Employment and Workplace Relations is optimistic about people getting work. But Finance is believed to have produced disappointingly low estimates of how many on welfare would obtain jobs by the end of the forward estimates period (2008-09).

The issue for Howard has become how tough or soft the Government makes the "mutual obligation" requirements it puts on these welfare recipients.

After wondering whether to confine the disability pension changes to new applicants, the Government decided existing pensioners should be tested. Now it is talking about making the test for them voluntary.

It knows how sensitive the disabled issue is, even if Costello goes on about bad backs. Last week on SBS's Insight, Costello emphasised that disability pensioners who tried but failed to get work "won't be prejudiced . . . they have to have the right to come back on (to the disability support pension) and to keep their concessions". This is more generous than the cabinet's recent disposition. It would both reassure the disabled and prevent unsuccessful job seekers swelling the unemployment numbers.

Costello has sounded tougher on sole parents. "A system that has no work requirement - not even a part-time work requirement - for a parent of school-age children is a very generous one and an inappropriate one in a country with possible labour shortages and the long-term ageing of the population," he said last month.

But insisting on a part-time "work requirement" for sole parents of primary school age children has some knotty difficulties. Not least, it doesn't seem to jell with the PM's philosophy. Howard has always been big on choice for mothers who want to stay at home. While he emphasises those with very young children, his wife remained a full-time parent after their youngest hit school age.

One cynic puts it this way. "If you're married you can stay at home. If you've left your husband, you have to work."

Single mothers will often have more pressures on them than women in two-parent families. The juggling act that any working mother must perform will be harder without someone to help. Women on the parenting payment will, by definition, be at the bottom of the heap financially, most likely to get low-paid jobs and unable to buy in services to assist them.

This doesn't negate the case for trying to get sole parents into work or training, but means the work capacity test the Government introduces for sole parents with children in primary school needs to be extremely flexible, taking account of parenting and other responsibilities (such as any care the women might give to aged parents).

Howard said a while ago that "we're not in the business of forcing people to do things that are unreasonable".

The word in Canberra is that the work test for single parents won't end up too onerous. To make it over-stiff would be excessively onerous for the Government, which needs to find ways of encouraging participation without pain.

Michelle Grattan is political editor.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2005 06:12 pm
Did I hear John Howard say this morning that 'Nothing is completely free.'?

Smells like Malcolm Fraser's 'Life wasn't meant to be easy.'

Is the little fellah getting tired of it all?
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 04:32 am
Yes, you did, hinge! And yes, it did have that ol' familiar ring to it! Laughing
He was referring to IVF in this instance, as you'd know. (But he enjoys saying stuff like this to us plebs, just to remind us who controls the purse strings (our taxes) & our lives. Rolling Eyes)
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 04:50 am
I heard that on radio this evening. I am hoping it comes back to bite him - hard.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 04:56 am
... & on the bum! Evil or Very Mad
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 06:16 am
<sigh> Talk about ugly Australians! Rolling Eyes

But I find the censorship by "Free TV Australia" <?> of the last two advertisements paid for by Melbourne businessman Ian Melrose (see blue section of this article) particularly sinister. Apparently it's not acceptable to criticize John Howard on "free TV" in Australia!

No resolution on Timor Sea oil treaty
April 28, 2005 - 9:49PM/the AGE

Australia and East Timor appear to remain at loggerheads over multi-billion dollar oil and gas reserves in the Timor Sea, with no resolution announced at the end of three days of talks.

But Foreign Minister Alexander Downer maintained Australia was not ripping off East Timor over the joint oil treaty and said the federal government wanted to help its tiny neighbour.

"We don't want to keep East Timor poor," he told the Seven Network.

"People who claim that about Australia or anyone in Australia are just making rhetoric. Of course we don't.

"But we do have to have some commonsense and legally sustainable boundary with East Timor, which isn't going to unravel our other maritime boundaries.

"I think they understand that and I think we are having a good level of negotiation.

"Australia's interest isn't to rip off East Timor."

Australia's chief negotiator Doug Chester in Dili was unavailable for comment on Thursday night and a Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) spokesman said an announcement on any resolution would probably not be made until Friday.

The talks, drawn out over the past year, have stalled repeatedly over the disputed maritime boundary between Australia and East Timor.

Australia has been accused of playing hardball over the resources - worth an estimated $41 billion.

Canberra wants the boundary set back closer to East Timor and is seeking most of the royalties from the Greater Sunrise gas field, worth about $9 billion.

It is also asking East Timor to hold off on its permanent boundary claims in return for a guarantee of 90 per cent of revenues from the Joint Petroleum Development Area (JPDA), worth more than $10 billion.

Meanwhile, East Timor advocates said Australian commercial television networks had refused to screen ads lambasting the federal government over the oil and gas negotiations.

The ads, bankrolled by Melbourne businessman Ian Melrose, depict World War II diggers verbally attacking Prime Minister John Howard over the talks with East Timor.

Mr Melrose funded the screening of the advertisements to coincide with this week's meetings. Two of the five ads have already run on national television across the networks.

But the Timor Sea Justice Campaign (TSJC) said the final two ads were refused approval by the Commercials Advice Division (CAD) of Free TV Australia, which represents all of Australia's commercial free-to-air television licensees.

In the ad, Marvin 'Doc' Wheetly, a WWII veteran who served in the 2/2 Independent Company, says he owes his life to the East Timorese people.

"John Howard, you are making me ashamed," he says.

The TSJC is calling for a permanent boundary at the midway point between the two countries.

"Obviously, the Australian government isn't keen for these messages to become public," TSJC spokesman Tom Clarke said.

"We definitely stand by the ads. We don't think they're defamatory."


Free TV did not comment.

© 2005 AAP
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 06:40 am
repeat post deleted.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 06:41 am
..... more on those censored advertisements:

Last Update: Thursday, April 28, 2005. 1:00pm (AEST)
Networks refuse critical Timor Sea ads

Australia's commercial television networks have refused to screen new advertisements which attack the Federal Government over its Timor Sea oil and gas negotiations.

The ads feature a group of World War II veterans who personally criticise the Prime Minister over claims that the Government has unfairly taken from East Timor $2 billion in contested gas and oil royalties.

Tom Clarke from the Timor Sea Justice Campaign says the commercial networks are concerned the advertisements are defamatory.

"Obviously that contradicts the legal advice we've had and the ads, we feel, are definitely not defamatory," he said.

"The facts are very easily proven and all the references to John Howard are obviously emotional claims, such as John Howard you are making me ashamed."

The organisation which represents the commercial networks, Free TV Australia, has yet to comment on the issue.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 07:00 am
Well, I just saw one of the advertisements on Lateline (ABC TV). There didn't appear to be anything that could be described as defamatory in what was shown - just a WW2 veteran saying that John Howard should be "ashamed" of his treatment of the East Timorese over oil treaty negotiations. ("the poorest country in Asia"). If the ABC's legal advice was that the advertisements weren't defamatory then why were the commercial networks not able to show them?
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 07:48 am
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 08:00 pm
How weird

I've seen those adverts on commercial TV up here. There were a couple of different ones with various vets.

Maybe the regional TV stations can't be as fussy about revenue?
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 04:39 am
Yes, that's strange, hinge. Maybe they don't fall under the "Free TV Australia" umbrella?
What's your opinion of the effectiveness of the ads?
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 04:46 am
Interesting Guardian article on Ian Melrose, goodfielder. Not many of his ilk around are there? Strange, he seems almost too good to be true. Maybe we've become so used to dubious leaders & folk in power we can't quite believe it when a thoroughly principled person stares us in the face? Still, good on him! Very Happy
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 05:11 am
Downer the bully! Evil or Very Mad

Last Update: Friday, April 29, 2005. 7:24pm (AEST)

Under the deal, a final resolution to the maritime boundary dispute will be postponed (Lateline)

Timor Sea deal struck

Australia and East Timor have struck a deal over disputed oil and gas reserves in the Timor Sea.

The Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer says the two governments reached agreement on all major issues during three days of talks in Dili this week.

Under the deal, a final resolution to the maritime boundary dispute will be postponed.

Mr Downer says East Timor will then receive up to $5 billion in additional revenue, depending on oil and gas prices.

"We're talking about them getting several billion dollars of additional revenue over and above what they would have otherwise got just from the 90 per cent revenue from the joint development area," he said.

Mr Downer is optimistic the deal will eventually allow the stalled Greater Sunrise Project to proceed.

"It's up to the investors, but I think once East Timor ratifies the unitisation agreement between Australia and East Timor in relation to the Greater Sunrise field - and part of the agreement is that they will do that - then that project will sooner or later go ahead."

The next round of talks will begin in Brisbane on May 11.

Earlier this week, Mr Downer warned East Timor it could lose some revenue if it insisted on drawing a permanent seabed boundary in the Timor Sea.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 05:14 am
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/28/fridaymoir_gallery__550x332,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 05:26 am
What is it with the Liberals? People with disabilities, women on IVF programs, single mothers & now the unemployed ...! Rolling Eyes
I'd love to see a headline saying: "Liberal purge of wealthy tax evaders planned."
...Just for a change. <sigh>

B]Tougher dole scheme 'not the solution'[/B][/size]
April 29, 2005 - 10:19AM/SMH

The federal government plans tough new measures to punish unemployed people abusing their benefits, but service providers say the problem is grossly exaggerated.

With the federal Budget less than two weeks away, Workforce Participation Minister Peter Dutton said he favoured forcing the long-term unemployed to work longer hours in work-for-the-dole schemes.

Under the proposal, participants may have to work up to 25 hours a week, compared to the current maximum of 15 hours.

"There's some speculation about a ... 25 hours a week model for work-for-the dole," Mr Dutton told ABC radio.... <cont.>

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Tougher-dole-scheme-not-the-solution/2005/04/29/1114635723747.html?oneclick=true
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