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The NEXT coming Oz election thread!

 
 
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 08:10 am
To steal an old joke: Daniel was a grudge baby, someone had it in for him.

I don't know if I can ever apologise enough for that.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 08:34 am
Someone sure did!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 05:35 pm
CFMEU as thuggish as the BLF, eh?



You ask me do I know of Ministerials!!! Yes, I do - but they just harass hapless public servants with them - and how can we make a ministerial happen out of disapproving of the Libs industrial policies?

Interested in Adelaide

(I think the scope of the Patrick's protests skeered 'em a bit - and thank goddess, international unions chimed in and made threats - including the blessed USA ones!)
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 05:38 pm
I must confess, I dislike Tony Abbott with some intensity as a minister, but I think he has come up trumps as a person over this crap. His airport interview (sans minders and speech writers) was very impressive.

That poor young man! And WHY is the mum giving major interviews? Right to know - zilch. Care factor - zilch.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 07:29 pm
dlowan wrote:
I must confess, I dislike Tony Abbott with some intensity as a minister, but I think he has come up trumps as a person over this crap. His airport interview (sans minders and speech writers) was very impressive.

That poor young man! And WHY is the mum giving major interviews? Right to know - zilch. Care factor - zilch.


Something to do with improving peoples' opinion of her, perhaps, Deb?She WAS looking a wee bit scatter-brained. Rolling Eyes But who cares about her? Who wants to know MORE about this fiasco? Poor old Daniel O'C! He must feel just wonderful after all this! Evil or Very Mad
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 09:17 pm
New visa is useless, say refugee advocates
By Joseph Kerr and Andrew Stevenson
March 25, 2005/SMH


"The 417 application [for ministerial discretion] gives them a shot at fixing up what the Refugee Review Tribunal mucked up," Mr Burnside said.

"This new visa denies them that opportunity and forces them to sign away their rights."
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Only one man may be eligible for the Federal Government's new visa for long term immigration detainees at the moment - and he may be about to disqualify himself by asking the Immigration Minister, Amanda Vanstone, to review his case.

Amid concern that only a small number of people would be able to gain release under the program, Thea Birss, a lawyer with the Refugee Advocacy Service of South Australia, representing about 200 detainees, said she was unaware of anyone who would be eligible when the visa came into effect in a few weeks.

Rosemary Hudson-Miller, of the Coalition for Asylum Seekers, Refugees and Detainees, could also find no one eligible. "It is a huge beat-up to make them look like a jolly good bunch, a bit of a sop to the back bench," she said.

The lawyer Julian Burnside said many long-term detainees who believed they had been unfairly treated at the Refugee Review Tribunal had little option but to stay in detention. Almost all of them have an application lodged to be released at the minister's discretion.

"The 417 application [for ministerial discretion] gives them a shot at fixing up what the Refugee Review Tribunal mucked up," Mr Burnside said.

"This new visa denies them that opportunity and forces them to sign away their rights."

Only detainees who resign themselves to no more legal attempts or visa applications to stay in Australia will be able to apply for the new visa, which would let them out into the community with work rights and health and social benefits.

Marion Le, a refugee lawyer, said she knew of an Afghan in Baxter who was eligible but said he planned to apply for release under the minister's discretionary power.

Senator Vanstone said she was unsure how many people would be released under the new rules, but admitted that claims that the visa might be granted to fewer than than 12 people now in detention might be correct.

However, she confirmed that the new removal pending bridging visa would be available to well under 100 current asylum seekers.

The Victorian Liberal MP Petro Georgiou, who has strongly advocated changes in the immigration detention system within his party room, welcomed the Government's change of heart, but said it was only a small step.

The Prime Minister, John Howard, defended the timing of the announcement - the first departure from the Government's hardline immigration policy.

"I guess you become, as time goes by, more conscious of the need to make commonsense adjustments, without fundamentally altering the policy," he told the Melbourne radio station 3AW.

"I don't regret not doing it earlier."
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 09:33 pm
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/03/24/2503_leunig_gallery__550x389,0.jpg

Apparently a number of the detainees deemed eligible for the the new visa requirements are recent converts to Christianity.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 11:00 pm
Protesters march on Vanstone's house
By Steve Larkin
March 26, 2005/the AGE


http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/03/25/vans_narrowweb__200x270.jpg

Hundreds of refugee advocates today marched on the fortified Adelaide home of Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone, demanding an end to the government's policy of mandatory detention.

About 300 demonstrators converged on the leafy suburban street, to be met by lines of police who also took up vantage points on the roof of the senator's house.

The protest was the first of weekend-long demonstrations focused on the Baxter detention centre in South Australia's north.

Hundreds of protesters arrived near Baxter today, to be halted at a police roadblock some 3km from the detention centre.

At the Adelaide demonstration, police set up barriers around Senator Vanstone's home and then lined up, preventing protesters getting within 20 metres of it.

It was not known if the minister was at home during the 90-minute rally when demonstrators chanted slogans and brandished pro-asylum-seeker placards.

Police yesterday warned they would be "fair but firm" with the demonstrators at Baxter, on the outskirts of Port Augusta, about 300km north of Adelaide.

But advocates suggested the police warning amounted to intimidation, adding they would attempt to get closer to Baxter this weekend than outside the three kilometre restriction zone imposed by police.

"This protest will go very smoothly as long as police respect our democratic right to protest and do not try to intimidate us," Refugee Action Coalition spokesman Ian Rintoul said.

"We intend to make our point outside the gates of Baxter detention centre and we will not be satisfied if the police try and keep us three kilometres away," Mr Rintoul said.

"Our plan is to make lots of noise so the detainees can hear us and know they have support from the Australian community, we will play drums, blow whistles, fly kites and balloons and other types of colourful protest.

"The government has intentionally hidden Baxter away in the desert so it is out of public view and media scrutiny, the reason we are going there is to bring attention to this crime in the desert."

Meanwhile, refugee advocates yesterday staged protests outside Australia House in London and Berlin in support of the Baxter protests over the weekend.

- AAP
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 11:13 pm
News reports are coming through via radio about a demonstration at Baxter Detention Centre, South Australia. Can't find anything in the mainstream online media outlets yet. Here's a link from the protest organisers:

http://baxter05.info/?action=wiki&page=index

http://www.moz.net.nz/baxter/words/baxter-words-10-moz.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 12:25 am
Last Update: Friday, March 25, 2005. 5:00pm (AEDT)

Easter ritual: Refugee advocates have again descended on Baxter.

Hundreds of protesters are converging on the Baxter Detention Centre in South Australia's north to protest against the long-term detention of asylum seekers.

Refugee advocates travelling by bus from Perth, Brisbane and Melbourne are among the first to arrive in Port Augusta this morning.

Despite being unable to see any of the detainees inside Baxter, the protesters are determined to make their presence felt.

Fleur Taylor, from the Victorian Refugee Action Collective, says protesters have spent months preparing for the weekend.

She says the protests have increased in importance since the Government announced the Removal Pending Bridging Visa for a small number of long-term detainees.

The visa will allow eligible detainees to be released into the community under strict conditions until they can be repatriated.

"We have to be clear that this new visa is a cruel cheat," Ms Taylor said.

"There's maybe up to 10 at the maximum people inside detention that this might apply to.

"This is not a visa change, it's not a softening of government attitude and the need to protest continues."

Assistant Commissioner Gary Burns says while the protest is expected to remain peaceful, police officers are prepared for anything.

"We're aware of people who have had previous propensity to violence so we're prepared for anything in that regard," he said.

More than 400 police officers have been rostered to work at Port Augusta over the weekend.

Roadblocks have been set up three kilometres either side of Baxter.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 07:26 am
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/03/25/moirsat26_gallery__550x370,0.jpg


Perhaps Costello's moment HAS past?
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 07:31 am
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/03/24/2503moir_gallery__550x316,0.jpg

Flashback:[/b

[B]Govt rejects MP's tax avoidance claims


Assistant Treasurer Mal Brough has hit out at millionaire MP Malcolm Turnbull's suggestion that some rich people use tax avoidance schemes to set their own tax rates.

Mr Turnbull, a Liberal Party backbencher, has called for "across the board" tax cuts and wants a crackdown on tax avoidance schemes used by some rich people to pay less tax.

Mr Turnbull says a crackdown would allow tax rates to be cut across the board.

He says currently the rich can effectively determine their own tax rate by engineering generous deductions in order to substantially reduce their income .......


And hey, certainly the Labor Party is not exactly going out of it's way to oppose some of the Liberal excesses, or create distinctly alternative policies .... Sad
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 10:55 pm
This isn't good:

"Latham facing lifetime of pain from his illness
By Mark Metherell
March 26, 2005

Mark Latham's closest supporter says that but for the illness which forced him from office the former Labor leader would still hold the job.

Instead, according to a specialist on the pancreatitis that shut down his political career, Mr Latham faces the prospect of a lifelong illness with no cure and for which even painkillers should be used sparingly.

Joel Fitzgibbon, a Labor frontbencher and close friend, is one of a few Labor MPs with whom Mr Latham now communicates. Mr Fitzgibbon said: "If Mark Latham did not have a health issue he will be dealing with for the rest of his life he would still be in Parliament and Leader of the Opposition."

The trouble, said Guy Maddern, a specialist in pancreatic surgery, was that "the pancreas is a dreadful organ".

Professor Maddern, of Adelaide University, said the reports of Mr Latham's condition being lifelong indicated that his doctors had been unable to identify the cause of his pancreatitis - a problem that arose in a small proportion of cases.

The pancreas plays a vital role in producing insulin and digestive system enzymes. Pancreatitis, in which the pancreas becomes inflamed, causes bouts of paralysing pain that can last for a day or several weeks.

"I feel very sorry for him," Professor Maddern said.

Mr Latham's impact on Australian politics is set to continue for some months yet. In a new book he is expected to criticise the way in which Labor campaign organisers responded to the Government's scare tactics on interest rates.

The claim will appear in the book Loner: Inside a Labor Tragedy by Bernard Lagan, a former Herald journalist."


Not that I think he would be leader - but that is sad.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2005 10:58 pm
And this is interesting:

"Australia went to war on the cheap
By Michael Duffy
March 26, 2005

An American acquaintance - let's call him Hank - has been complaining for a while that the Australian forces in Iraq have suffered no fatalities, while America has lost more than 1500 killed in action. When I suggest this observation is in poor taste, Hank says, "What's in poor taste is the contrast between the tiny number of troops you guys gave and the credit your Government takes for being part of the coalition of the willing. There's a big gap there."

"Maybe," I wonder out loud, "we've just been lucky?" Hank snorts and tells me to go look at the numbers.

At the peak of their commitments to Iraq, Britain had 45,000 people there and the US about 150,000. Relative to population sizes, to match this Australia should have had between 10,000 and 15,000 people in the Middle East at some point. In fact we peaked at just 2000. There are now fewer than 600 Australians serving there, to be joined next month by another 450.

Some of these figures are approximate, as countries use different definitions to reach them. But I doubt this would affect the conclusion that Australia has relatively contributed about one-fifth of the effort that was put into freeing Iraq by Britain and America. Says Aldo Borgu, military analyst at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, "There's no doubt our action on the ground doesn't match the Government's rhetoric."

It's an imbalance I've never seen referred to, but it ought to concern both the Government's supporters and its opponents. One would expect conservatives to be worried about the questions of honour and integrity raised by fighting war on the cheap. And those opposed to the war might ask themselves whether John Howard would have gone in if he'd had to pay the full price, not just in numbers but in putting Australian forces into situations of danger, which (as Hank gently points out) we have generally avoided so far.

This is a delicate subject. I don't wish to underrate the danger many Australians have faced in Iraq and the bravery with which they've dealt with it. Nor do I wish anyone dead. But there's a disturbing element of unreality in much of our debate about this war and occupation. Last year Labor wanted to bring the troops home, when in truth there were almost none to be brought home. The Prime Minister announced bravely that Australians don't cut and run. In fact we had already cut and run, back in April 2003 when we began to withdraw most of our modest force. So Australians on both sides have been posturing and pontificating on Iraq based on a national effort some might call shamefully modest. War deserves to be taken more seriously.

John Howard says the struggle against terrorism is a desperate fight requiring, and receiving, substantial resources. Announcing Australia's intention to contribute 1500 people to the invasion of Afghanistan, on October 17, 2001 he said: "There's nothing token about this contribution. This is a very significant and important contribution."

Explaining our involvement in the invasion of Iraq, on March 18, 2003, the Prime Minister said it was necessary for the long-term security of the world and described Australia's commitment of 2000 people as sizeable.

Five days earlier he had told the National Press Club he rejected the idea that Australia should leave the heavy lifting to others.

On May 19, 2004 at the CD Kemp Dinner in Melbourne, Mr Howard repeated his belief that "we should not leave it to the United States to do all the heavy lifting" and said: "To view the ADF presence as symbolic is not only factually inaccurate - it is plainly insulting." On February 22 this year he assured Lateline we are doing our fair share in a great cause.

But the figures given earlier suggest Australia has indeed allowed the Americans and British to do the heavy lifting. Michael O'Connor, former executive director of the Australian Defence Association, agrees: "To consider ours a militarily significant commitment is just ludicrous. We're not pulling our weight."

And our allies have been very aware of this. Borgu says that from the beginning of the war the British and American armed forces have asked Australia to do more. Even John Howard acknowledged on February 22 this year: "For the last two years both the Americans and the British would have expressed to their counterparts in the Australian Defence Force a desire for further Australian contributions." Borgu says that while our commitments in East Timor and the Solomons might have prevented us contributing more forces to the invasion, those commitments wound down some time ago and we could have done a lot more in Iraq since then.

O'Connor believes that even if we really couldn't do more for logistical reasons, it's the fault of governments, which have reduced the personnel in the regular and reserve armed forces by 30 per cent in the past decade or so. Strange behaviour in a nation dedicated to heavy lifting.

America's acceptance of the gap between Australian rhetoric and participation is interesting. It's as if there was a deal, whereby President George Bush had accepted token military effort as long as it was preceded by prompt and unstinted diplomatic support.

When Bush called Howard a "man of steel" who was "steady under fire" you wonder if it was the experience of cutting such a deal he was recalling. Or maybe the deal was never spelt out, and the President, who has a well-developed sense of honour, was simply being ironic about Australia's martial valour."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Opinion/Australia-went-to-war-on-the-cheap/2005/03/25/1111692627173.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2005 05:58 am
About Australian involvement in Iraq:

I've always seen Australia's contribution to the Iraq invasion as being a token, symbolic one. To boost the not-so-impressive list of countries conscripted to the so-called "coalition of the willing". (How many other countries can you name, apart from the US & the UK?) We were told, initially, that Australians would not be involved in combat situations, but our role would be a supportive one. Given the strong opposition to Australian involvement in Iraq, this appears to me to have been our government's compromise position: light on troops/loud on pro-US rhetoric. Apparently this was the deal between Bush & Howard. More than many of us wanted, however.

As for the "man of steel" description of Howard by Bush ... Well, Bush DOES tend to use very exaggerated, colourful language to support US involvement in Iraq.! Rolling Eyes Unfortunately, Howard appears to have believed it! Laughing This type of flattering rhetoric was used to support Howard & the Liberals during the last Australian election. Some folk get sucked in by this sort of stuff, apparently. Rolling Eyes

But should we feel guilty because of our small military involvement in Iraq? Absolutely not. Why should we? Most Australians didn't want to be involved in the first place & we were assured our contribution was to be a short-term one. That was our understanding right up to the federal election. It's only since the election that more troops have been deemed necessary. This hasn't exactly gone over well, to say the least.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2005 09:32 pm
nah - as you know, Msolga, I strongly disapprove of our involvement in Iraq.

However, it seems pretty bloody pathetic if Howard is garnering (in his mind) accolades and such in hypocrisy.

I am enchanted with the idea that Bush might have used that awful, mawkish, "Man of steel" phrase in irony - and Howard took it seriously! I suspect it a fantasy, though, albeit a delicious one. I cannot believe the mind that came up with "deputy sheriff" capable of such delicate wit.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 08:29 am
dlowan wrote:
... I am enchanted with the idea that Bush might have used that awful, mawkish, "Man of steel" phrase in irony - and Howard took it seriously! I suspect it a fantasy, though, albeit a delicious one. I cannot believe the mind that came up with "deputy sheriff" capable of such delicate wit.


Ironic or not, Deb, our prime minister is a silly goose when it comes to these things & would have believed every word! Rolling Eyes
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2005 06:38 am
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2005 06:38 am
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2005 04:50 am
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