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The NEXT coming Oz election thread!

 
 
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 24 Oct, 2007 07:55 pm
The unions strike back:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=184NTV2CE_c
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 24 Oct, 2007 08:16 pm
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22645955-5003402,00.html

Quote:
Work Choices 'disadvantages thousands'

WORK Choices has disadvantaged thousands of workers and failed to create new jobs, a report by South Australia's Industrial Relations Commission says.

After a six-month inquiry into the impact of the Federal Government's new industrial relations system, the commission said the changes had particularly disadvantaged the most vulnerable, including the low paid.

It said there was no reliable evidence that the changes had increased productivity or flexibility and no evidence that they had generated increased employment opportunities.

The commission also criticised the Government's fairness test as less comprehensive than the previous no disadvantage test and has attacked the loss of unfair dismissal laws for many workers.

"Overall our conclusion is that the impact of Work Choices in South Australia is adverse to a large number of employees without bringing compensatory beneficial impacts in terms of increased productivity, flexibility, income or employment," commission president Peter Hannon said.

"Work Choices has not introduced a simplified system of industrial relations. It has made what was already a complex legislative scheme even more complex due to an increased level of intervention and regulation."

Unions SA secretary Janet Giles said the inquiry, which was ordered by South Australia's Labor Government, had confirmed what workers had been saying.

She said while the commission examined the impact of Work Choices laws in South Australia, there was no reason to believe the situation would be different in other states
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 24 Oct, 2007 09:00 pm
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Builder
 
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Reply Wed 24 Oct, 2007 09:27 pm
Two excellent articles. Thanks very much. :wink:

Makes a mockery of the millions of bucks being wasted on the propaganda campaign. Evil or Very Mad
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dadpad
 
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Reply Wed 24 Oct, 2007 09:32 pm
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uUeHGDcAfS0
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 24 Oct, 2007 11:05 pm
The more I think about it the more I think Workchoices is bad for employers.

Effectively its aim is to move employees into the realm of 'inputs' like materials or subcontractors, where the organisation is free to stop paying for them when they don't need them. Which sounds good from a JIT perspective - but the overall effect will be to allow managers to be sloppier in recruiting, to throw staff at a problem without thinking about it's cause, or asking the 7 questions, because they can get rid of them when they realise they don't need them anymore (or that they never did).

In affect labour laws are a QA mechanism on employers - you don't employ someone unless:
-you need them for more than a short period
-they fit your org
-their skills fit your org
-you can train them to fit changing needs

Workchoices gives managers the chance to be slack in their employment practices (and vindictive). In effect workchoices will degrade the quality of management in Australia - and I guarantee that will effect productivity negatively.

Workchoices never addresses productivity - but productivity is the key to all labour reform. At least Kev's Education Revolution acknowledges productivity however glibly.
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bungie
 
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Reply Thu 25 Oct, 2007 02:44 am
Good on ya Bob .......
I am sick and tired of bonzai union bashing. Do people really think companies gave workers better conditions out of the goodness of their hearts ?Don't forget, every wage rise sort in recent years by the union movement was opposed by bonzai and co.



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Hawke queries record of man who 'buggered' the economy
Peter Ker and Michelle Grattan
October 25, 2007
FORMER prime minister Bob Hawke has lashed out at John Howard's record as treasurer in the Fraser government and has accused him of a "despicable" campaign against unions.
He said Mr Howard "absolutely messed" the economy as treasurer, and had been "the worst economic manager that this country has had since Federation".
The Hawke Labor government had inherited an economy of which Mr Howard, as treasurer, had been in charge, leaving a $9.6 billion deficit, he said. This was more than $40 billion in today's terms, which was the worst performance of any developed country.
"That absolutely buggered the Australian economy and we had to fix it," said Mr Hawke, who was prime minister from 1983 to 1991.
Mr Howard's line that the Liberals were better economic managers was nonsense, Mr Hawke said. "The strength of the Australian economy today is because of the fact we had the courage to do the things that he didn't have the courage, the wit or the wisdom to do."
Mr Howard's attack on the unions was "the most disastrously unfair and baseless accusation and propaganda that has ever been used by any leader in the history of Australian politics. I say that deliberately, that's not exaggeration," he said.
"Every single Australian is indebted to the Australian trade union movement. How dare this man attack the trade union movement. There is no institution in Australia which has done more to flesh out the concept of a fair go, to give it reality, than the Australian trade union movement."
He said the attack was "absolutely unfounded, ungracious and totally unfair". "I believe the Australian electorate will repudiate it, not only because it's an attack on the trade unions but it's also a part of a process whereby this man is trying to dismantle the whole apparatus of protection for working people in this country with the WorkChoices legislation."
Mr Hawke said it was the judgement of every economist and international financial institution that it was the restructuring reforms "undertaken by my government with the full co-operation of the trade union movement which created the strength of the Australian economy today.
"So instead of attacking the unions, this man should be eternally grateful to them.
"He should go down on bended knee and say thank you."


http://www.theage.com.au/news/federalelection2007news/hawke-queries-record-of-man-who-buggered-the-economy/2007/10/24/1192941153265.html
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 25 Oct, 2007 08:34 am
Rock on Bob.

It's pretty pathetic that JH is relying on 'Union boogie man' campaign when only 15% of workers are in unions - yet another piece of evidence that he is disconnected and lives in the past - scared by conservative fears of the 60s & 70s. Thatcherite in his paranoia.
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bungie
 
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Reply Thu 25 Oct, 2007 01:12 pm
Just thought some of you might like to hear what former PM Malcolm Fraser had to say.

Quote:


http://www.theage.com.au/news/federalelection2007news/fraser-calls-for-vote-on-taking-country-to-war/2007/10/25/1192941243835.html
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vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 25 Oct, 2007 10:51 pm
Quote:
FORMER Liberal prime minister Malcolm Fraser has described the war in Iraq as an "unmitigated disaster" and says that, in future, the Australian Parliament should vote on going to war.


I couldn't agree more.
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bungie
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 01:06 pm
Looks like kev has been baited again ...


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http://www.theage.com.au/news/federalelection2007news/rudd-expels-firebrand-unionist/2007/10/26/1192941340870.html
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vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 02:19 pm
One of the most incredible comments I've ever seen made by a Prime Minister :

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Howard dismisses Fraser's Iraq comments

October 26, 2007 12:00am


THE Prime Minister says the war in Iraq is not the "unmitigated disaster" claimed by former Liberal PM Malcolm Fraser.

Delivering his inaugural professorial lecture at the University of Melbourne Law School last night, Mr Fraser described the war in Iraq as an "unmitigated disaster".

Mr Fraser - a long time opponent to the Iraq war - also said laws were needed to prevent future governments from going to war without a vote in the parliament.

Prime Minister John Howard dismissed the comments.

"I don't agree with Mr Fraser on this, it's not an unmitigated disaster," Mr Howard told Southern Cross Broadcasting.

"I think it will be an unmitigated disaster if America is defeated in Iraq."

Mr Howard says withdrawing allied forces from Iraq now will be "a big set back" and "disaster" for the west.

"Whatever your views may be about what should or shouldn't have happened a few years ago... you have to look to the future - straight forward.

"Is it in our interests that America be humiliated in Iraq or is it against our interests?

"Is it in our interests that the terrorists win in Iraq or that they be defeated?

"The answer to those two questions is obviously it is not in our interest that America be humiliated and it's not in our interest that the terrorists win."

Mr Howard says it is astonishing that people support Australia's involvement in defeating terrorism in Afghanistan but not Iraq.


Current death toll from violence : 80,000
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

2006 stats re indirect death toll : 655,000
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/mortalitindex.htm

2.2 million refugees have fled Iraq, and 1.9 million displaced persons are still inside Iraq

For the 1.9 million see : http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/crisisindex.htm

For the 2.2 million see UN website cut & paste below :
http://www.uniraq.org/
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The report recognizes the challenges confronting the Government of Iraq in the face of ongoing violence and an ever-deepening humanitarian crisis. The report states, "Having been forced to abandon their homes, many are living in dire conditions without access to adequate food supplies and basic services, with children being particularly vulnerable to disease." It warns of growing displacement stating that, "Large-scale displacement of Iraqi civilians continued due to the ongoing violence, including direct death threats, abductions or killings, in many parts of Iraq," and notes that the, "UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) estimated that some 2.2 million Iraqis are currently refugees abroad, around half of whom are in Syria."


Nope, no disaster there...
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Builder
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 06:33 pm
Where does Howard get the idea that Australians support the police action in Afghanistan?

Like, we know they are part of a NATO team, but now that men are returning in body bags, I doubt that the few supporters left will have a voice.

The Taliban are returning to power, and the opium crop is reportedly much larger than before we arrived.

Afghanistan Opium Crop Sets Record
U.S.-Backed Efforts At Eradication Fail

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 2, 2006; Page A01

Opium production in Afghanistan, which provides more than 90 percent of the world's heroin, broke all records in 2006, reaching a historic high despite ongoing U.S.-sponsored eradication efforts, the Bush administration reported yesterday.

In addition to a 26 percent production increase over past year -- for a total of 5,644 metric tons -- the amount of land under cultivation in opium poppies grew by 61 percent. Cultivation in the two main production provinces, Helmand in the southwest and Oruzgan in central Afghanistan, was up by 132 percent.

Opium report

So whatever NATO is doing, containment of the Taliban, and a reduction in the income they can derive from the drug market, is not happening.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 06:48 pm
Last time I saw an article on Afghanistan, they had opium fields growing either side of main highways, with coalition soldiers driving through the middle of them. It was apparently, the farmers main source of income.

As for supporting the 'policing' of Afghanistan, the Taliban co-existed with Al Qaeda. It was most definitely the training base for a multinational terrorist organisation. To leave it go would have been folly...yet the Taliban are gaining in strength...most likely through the channels and funding set up by the CIA during the Afghanistan / Russian war, and expanded upon by Osama.

To see the Taliban come back to power (if that is indeed who is fighting the coalition these days) would be a mistake.

That said, Howard should know that the differences between Afghanistan and Iraq are vast. The differences though, appear to be shrinking, the longer the coalition stays in Iraq.

Perhaps they will get out of it with a win, though I very much doubt it. Most likely it will become a dictatorship shortly after the US leaves, with a religious bent somewhere between that of Iran and Afghanistan (but that is only a guess on my part).
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 27 Oct, 2007 02:34 am
A lot of posts to catch up on here. (I've been SOOOO rushed off my feet over the last few days. <wilt>)

In the meantime, a few recent comments from the cartoonists:
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 27 Oct, 2007 02:38 am
I like this one a lot! Nice! Very Happy :

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5721730,00.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 27 Oct, 2007 02:41 am
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5719790,00.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 27 Oct, 2007 02:45 am
The sea again!:

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/10/26/2710_cartoon_gallery__470x250.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 27 Oct, 2007 02:56 am
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/10/26/svCARTOON_OCT27_gallery__470x274.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 27 Oct, 2007 03:01 am
Yeah! Laughing:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/10/25/svCARTOON_OCT26_gallery__470x331.jpg
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