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The NEXT coming Oz election thread!

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 05:42 am
I'm watching closely to see what the DPP concludes. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the nature of the charges are changed, or if they're withdrawn completely.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 06:52 am
Laughing

Happy birthday, PM!:


http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/07/25/moir26707_gallery__470x282,0.jpg
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ooragnak
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 02:50 pm
Thank you for your kind welcome msolga.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 12:21 am
Quote:
I just reread my post (which you've just responded to.) It sounds quite abrupt. I think I've just totally HAD all the lies & fabrications, the non-core promises, etc, etc, etc, of the past 11 years. This last episode was just one too many, I think. Overload. (Perhaps I should just take a cold shower & chill out? ) Anyway, sorry to be rude.


Heheh, I thought it was odd, and you're also obviously very passionate about this Smile
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vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 12:25 am
Well, what a surprise.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22143816-601,00.html


July 27, 2007
THE Federal DPP has dropped the terror charge against Indian doctor Mohamed Haneef, branding it a mistake by a prosecutor in a hurry to get to court.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 02:26 am
Our own private Guantanamo.....
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 04:57 am
ooragnak wrote:
Thank you for your kind welcome msolga.


A pleasure, ooragnak!

Please feel free to post more. (I'm calmer now! Razz )
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 04:59 am
vikorr wrote:
Quote:
I just reread my post (which you've just responded to.) It sounds quite abrupt. I think I've just totally HAD all the lies & fabrications, the non-core promises, etc, etc, etc, of the past 11 years. This last episode was just one too many, I think. Overload. (Perhaps I should just take a cold shower & chill out? ) Anyway, sorry to be rude.


Heheh, I thought it was odd, and you're also obviously very passionate about this Smile


Absolutely! Very Happy
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 05:03 am
vikorr wrote:
Well, what a surprise.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22143816-601,00.html


July 27, 2007
THE Federal DPP has dropped the terror charge against Indian doctor Mohamed Haneef, branding it a mistake by a prosecutor in a hurry to get to court.


Not remotely surprised here. (obviously! :wink: )
It was the dodgiest case imaginable.
Now what's happening to Haneef's visa, Mr Andrews?
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 05:04 am
dlowan wrote:
Our own private Guantanamo.....


Yup.

Shame!
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dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 05:30 am
State premier Steve Bracks and erstwhile supporter John Thwaits resign;

weeeeeelllllll! that was a bolt from the blue. Makes you wonder what Bracksy and Thwaitsy have been up to dont it?

Will this mean the north south pipeline is now on hold? Theres a lot of people in the bush who would be happy for that to happen.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 05:38 am
Like everyone else, I was totally taken by surprise, too, dadpad. It's not every day that an Australian state loses both it's premier & deputy premier in something like 4 hours! Shocked I, too, have a feeling that there's more to this than meets the eye. But what? No idea. No doubt we'll find out before too long! It'll be interesting to see what does happen with the pipeline now. Any predictions?
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 05:52 am
Back to the Haneef case. This GetUp message was emailed to me by another A2Ker. So I'm posting it here.:

Dear friends,

As the Dr Mohammed Haneef case joins the Tampa, Children Overboard, David Hicks and Iraq in the growing list of security-related scandals, Australians are demanding to know why the lines have once again been blurred between politics, justice and national security. When will our politicians get the message that we are tired of the politics of fear?

Mr Howard and Mr Rudd, we want real leadership protecting civil liberties and security, not cynical political reactions based on opinion polls. We expect a trusted counter-terrorism system that responds to legitimate threats, not imagined or political ones. Watch this Oz in 30 Seconds ad now to join the call demanding our politicians not sacrifice the integrity of our society in the name of 'security':


http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/WereAfraidNot

But Dr Haneef's case is not another Tampa, because this time there is another voice out there: yours. With new technology, we are banding together like never before to tell our side of the story, and put the issues we want to see on the air. We're sending a message to our leaders that they can't ignore: we expect you to protect us from terrorism while maintaining the integrity of our legal system and our valued rights and freedoms.

Hear, hear!

(Thanks, D.)
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dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 05:54 am
I thionk mrs Bracks may have had a hand in it.

Also silly sons accident. That kind of thinks really ram home the spend quality time with the family.

Its been a big week in Victoria Sheedy, Pagan, Bracks, Thwaits. (in order of importance)
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 05:59 am
dadpad wrote:
Its been a big week in Victoria Sheedy, Pagan, Bracks, Thwaits. (in order of importance)


Yep, that's about the size of it! Laughing
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 06:31 am
Haneef released to home detention
July 27, 2007
The AUSTRALIAN


TERROR suspect Mohamed Haneef will be released but forced to stay in residential detention.

Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews said Dr Haneef would be freed from immigration detention, but he'd stay in what he called 'residential detention' at his Gold Coast home for the time being.

"That means that rather than being detained in immigration custody, namely in Villawood or some facility such as that, he will be released into residential detention which means that he can reside at his unit on the Gold Coast,'' Mr Andrews told reporters.

"Or if he wishes to reside somewhere other than that unit on the Gold Coast, then any reasonable request in that regard will be taken into account and met.''

Mr Andrews said he would seek further advice from the commonwealth solicitor-general about whether he would need to reverse his decision to cancel Haneef's visa. ...

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5585805,00.jpg
TERROR suspect Mohamed Haneef, here with wife Firdaus on the Gold Coast, has had the charge against him dropped.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22144069-5013404,00.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 06:45 am
But wait! There's more!
So now it's up to Ruddock & Andrews as to whether Haneef stays in Australia or not. This should be interesting!:


Haneef could face more charges
July 27, 2007
The AUSTRALIAN


AUSTRALIAN Federal Police head Mick Keelty has not ruled out more charges being laid against terror suspect Mahomed Haneef.

Speaking at a news conference after the terror charge against Dr Haneef was dropped, Mr Keelty defended his agency's handling of the case, and did not rule out further charges against Haneef.

Asked by a journalist whether the case had been a fiasco, Mr Keelty said: ''They are your words, not mine.

''The police investigation has been thorough, I make no apology for that, nor should I in a terrorism investigation in this country.

''We have done our job well in this instance, we have done our job professionally.''

Mr Keelty listed challenges in the investigation, such as the enormity of information that had to be considered and the time difference between the United Kingdom and Australia.

"The organisation and the investigation team in particular has worked to a deadline to achieve those ends, and at the same time meeting some of the obligations that we have at an international level to provide some answers back to the UK,'' he said.

"So the team has at all time acted professionally.''

Asked if he would rule out further charges, Mr Keelty said: ``The investigation is continuing.

"We don't intend to scale down the investigation,'' he said.

"Our obligation is to protect the Australian community against any threat of a terrorist event and that is our job. Our job at the moment is to investigate with the UK authorities an attempted terrorist attack within the UK.

"Whatever avenues of inquiry that opens up in Australia, we will investigate.''

Mr Keelty would not say whether he wanted Haneef to remain in the country while the AFP investigation continued.

"It's a matter for the immigration minister and it's a matter for the attorney-general as to what steps are taken as to whether Dr Haneef remains in the country or whether he leaves,'' he said.

"It is also the question of what Dr Haneef wants to do.''... <cont>


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22144069-5013404,00.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 07:07 am
Plumbing the depths on Haneef
Michelle Grattan
July 27, 2007/the AGE (this morning, before the DPP's announcement)

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/07/26/svOPED_narrowweb__300x368,0.jpg
Illustration: John Dyson

....... Haneef has encountered the worst and best of Australian justice and attitudes. He was held for nearly 12 days under the new terrorism law, to be eventually charged for handing over the SIM card. When a Queensland magistrate granted him bail, Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews at once revoked his visa on "character" grounds, meaning he'd be put into immigration detention if he was bailed.

Meanwhile, mistakes and discrepancies were discovered in the material relating to the caseHaneef found himself in the land of Kafka. The Government was in a more political place, playing to national security. By innuendo and directly, it painted Haneef as a bad man. But public opinion was sceptical and sections of the media persistent.

On Wednesday, Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions Damian Bugg, QC, announced that he would personally review the evidence. (In a nice twist, Bugg's brother Tim, Law Council of Australia president, has been leading the push to uphold Haneef's rights.) The DPP was sensibly covering his back, given the confusion and controversy, and today will reveal how he has decided.

The review could presage the dropping of the charge and collapse of the case.

The Government expected the Haneef affair to play better politically than it has. Prime Minister John Howard was careful in his words, but his message was unmistakeable.

"I will make no comment at all on the substance of the allegations … I will compliment the police on their assiduous work. I will say that Dr Haneef is entitled, like any other person, to a presumption of innocence," he said on July 14.

He went on: "All of this is a reminder that terrorism is a global threat. You can't pick and choose where you fight terrorism. You can't say I'll fight it over there but I won't fight it here. It's also fair to say that the anti-terrorism laws that this Government has enacted are all, to their very last clause needed … If we need to strengthen them, we will … But I am not going to make any comment about Dr Haneef's case."

Howard is a master of the art of the highly interpretative no comment.


Andrews didn't worry too much about the presumption of innocence. "On … advice provided to me by the Australian Federal Police, I reasonably suspect an association with persons involved in criminal conduct, namely terrorism," he said on July 16. He insisted this went beyond simply being a relative. The visa test is a matter of ministerial discretion, not legal proof, but the fact remains that Andrews, and so the Government, trashed Haneef's reputation with those comments.

If the charge was dropped, or not proved, where would this leave Haneef? Stuck with the label of bad character, when possibly his main sin was to have been unfortunate in his relatives. Imagine what the Andrews assessment would do to Haneef's later career and chances of travelling. The Government says it will deport him even if he faces no charge, claiming there is secret evidence (a nervous Andrews has been asking the AFP to recheck its material). Meanwhile, it is going to amazing lengths to beat up on Labor over Haneef. In an extraordinary statement yesterday, Andrews seized on comments from Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd and his deputy Julia Gillard agreeing with the Government's handling of the visa issue. People deserved more than "cheap talk", Andrews said, challenging Rudd to say what he'd do as prime minister. This was desperate stuff.

Both Government and critics are now saying there should be a fresh look at the anti-terrorism legislation.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/new-low-on-haneef/2007/07/26/1185339162544.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 08:44 am
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/07/27/280707_editoon_gallery__470x297.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 08:52 am
How much longer till this damned election is over? This must be the longest campaign in the history of election campaigns! <yawn>:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/07/27/wbTOONtandberg2807_gallery__470x337,0.jpg
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