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The NEXT coming Oz election thread!

 
 
bungie
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 12:57 pm
This from a member of a forum discussing American politics .......

The polarizing of wealth has put 90% of the wealth of this country in the hands
of 1% of the people.
Up until the 1950s corporations could not donate to political campaigns.
Up until 1965 a man could work @ the mill, own a house, buy a new car every
3 yrs and the wife stayed home and raised the children.
And they wonder what has happened to education/ morality.
There's no one raising the kids. Everyone is working 60 hrs. a week so they can get
another status symbol trinket cheap at Wallyworld.
Trade barriers, tariffs, unions protected the middle class.
We refused to compete with work forces that worked for one bowl of rice a day and congress did OUR bidding, not the bidding of the corporations,,so they could raise money to get re-elected. Corporations have no conscience. Zero morality. Yet they elect our leaders and control the media. Campaign finance reform is our only hope but anyone supporting it will be portrayed as a left wing commie kook by the Rupert Murdoc, Exxon Mobil, General Electric department of information. They own about 90% of the media. Do you think they're going to let us take over the govt.? Do you think they'll make sure our standard of living is protected when they can make more money if they only give the Chinamen our jobs.
Ever play Monopoly? Once someone owns Boardwalk and Parkplace the game is over.
We can't let THIS game be over.
We've got to get our govt. back. We've got to get rid of campaign fund raisers.
Make the politicians responsible to us...make them legislate instead of eternally campaigning.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 06:18 pm
I haven't been posting here much of late. Been knocked side-ways by a seriously nasty cold, which I believe has also frozen my brain! Anyway, not up to much at all right now, though I might have a wee look around to see what the cartoonists are up to. However, post away, any of you who have the desire to do so. I can still read! :wink:
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 06:21 pm
If any of you who are interested in Oz politics haven't found this thread yet, it's an interesting read:

Howard's approach to remote indigenous communities:
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=99129&highlight=
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 07:13 pm
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Whether Rudd has any sympathy or is comfortable about union involvement in the political process is one thing. But certainly the Libs have identified his discomfort as his Achilles heel. A splendid tactic on their part to get an over-reaction from him (every time!) & divert the IR debate from the most damaging focus for the Libs. It is so embarrassing to watch his jerk reaction, time & time again! For heaven's sake, these wicked "union leaders" are simply doing their job: trying to get decent pay & condition for their members. No big deal to most of us.


Sage advice. Rudd could use some of it.

Intelligence in many areas doesn't mean intelligence in all areas :wink:
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 08:34 pm
Too true, vikorr.
His forte has been foreign affairs & government bureaucracy. And he was very good in those fields. But understanding trade unionism is quite another thing. (BTW I'm actually most concerned about a fair go for workers & wish that some of the entrenched union bureaucrats paid as much attention to their members' interests as to their loyalty to the ALP & their parliamentary ambitions.:wink: )

But I seriously think he doesn't get unionism & workers' rights.
The other day in parliament Kevin gave the incorrect name to his own union in parliament. (Apparently he actually belongs to one, most likely because he's required to. Laughing )

If he wasn't so ignorant of the issues, he could easily counter the b/s media reports of "union thugs" from Joe Hockey, Howard & co. What is a swearing union official or 3 compared to the far greater scandal of the many workers' deaths that still occur in workplaces today in this country? What about incompetent & negligent employers who don't provide safe workplaces? What about the paltry fines such employers receive? And the inadequate compensation received for death & injury in the workplace. There are very good reasons why particular unions are so "militant" .... though I would describe them as taking their members' concerns seriously. And quite rightly so.

But the most frustrating thing about Kevin is that he's so easily & so constantly side-tracked, by these Liberal "union militancy" media beat-ups, from arguing strongly against WorkChoices (or whatever the Libs are calling it now Rolling Eyes ) & exposing Howard's IR laws as being some of the harshest & most unfair in so-called "civilized" countries today. He seems most concerned about not upsetting business & also showing how tough he is about a few union officials swearing or acting tough. No wonder quite a few of us are scratching our heads! He doesn't seem to get that what many voters are hoping for is a crystal clear alternative to Howard's IR Laws. Howard gets it (& waters down his laws) but Rudd doesn't seem to.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 09:15 pm
Surprised Well, speak of the devil! (What timing!)
"Militant unionists", I was taking about!
Well, here's one of them, anyway!
And an expelled (from the ALP) one, Dean Mighell, writes an open letter to ALP leader, Kevin Rudd:


Thursday, July 05, 2007

DEAR Kevin,

Watching your overreaction to comments made by NSW Labor Council secretary John Robertson at a private meeting, I'm left wondering whether you really understand the harsh reality of industrial relations. Surely the test of a robust democracy is the quality of the dissent. What is so odd about a union leader promising a push to win changes to an industrial relations policy under a Rudd Labor government? Yet instead of greeting Robertson's colourful comments with a smile, you resort to pious bullying while accusing union leaders of being bullies (writes Dean Mighell).


It has been four weeks since I reluctantly agreed to resign from the ALP, after also making colourful comments at a private meeting. I was in shock at the swiftness and savagery of my forced removal from the party.

My resignation followed the publication of comments made in November last year at a private mass meeting of Electrical Trades Union members.

At that meeting I recounted the union's recent history of bargaining outcomes and I skited about outmanoeuvring employers in negotiations way back in 1993. During the meeting I made some disparaging comments about officers of John Howard's Australian Building and Construction Commission taskforce. I concede my description of them was in poor taste.

I was not aware my address to union members was being taped by a media company. Nor was I aware the tape had been sold to the ABCC. I only know that it found its way to Sydney's The Daily Telegraph, which duly published its contents. On the day these comments were published you sought my immediate resignation, giving me a mere five minutes to make my decision. Reluctantly, I resigned from the ALP because I did not wish to see the media and the federal Government engage in a beat-up that detracted from the community's focus on the Work Choices legislation. At the time, I made it clear that in coercing my resignation, you were making a damaging mistake.

First, you meekly submitted to a government-engineered scare campaign, allowing the policy focus on Work Choices to be derailed. Second, you established a standard of behaviour that very few people, whether in boardrooms, union meetings or political life, can meet: swearing and boasting to colleagues about outmanoeuvring another in a negotiation is now a hanging offence.

This stance is difficult to reconcile with your attitude to comments made by Sydney broadcaster Alan Jones in the wake of the Cronulla riots. On December 7, 2005, Jones expressed his approval of the following email, sent by a listener: "My suggestion is to invite the biker gangs to be present at Cronulla railway station when these Lebanese thugs arrive, the biker gangs have been much maligned but they do a lot of good things ... and wouldn't it be brilliant if the whole event was captured on TV cameras and featured on the evening news so that we, their parents, family and friends can see who these bastards are ... Australians old and new should not have to put up with this scum."

When Jones's comments were found to have breached broadcasting laws by inciting racial hatred and violence, your only response was to state that nothing Jones had done would cause you not to continue to appear on his radio show.

The decision you took four weeks ago is now coming home to roost in the form of a government-sponsored anti-union scare campaign. The scare campaign focuses on outmoded images of "union bosses". The only thing missing is a few pictures of communists hiding under beds. If only the ALP was holding the Government accountable and offering the electorate the choice of Howard's worn-out ideas or real Labor values. Instead of falling for Howard's trick and allowing him to deflect attention from Work Choices, you should be reminding Australians of the good things trade unions and their members do every day.

Trade unions represent nearly two million people who make an enormous contribution to this country.

In the hands of a talented and committed Opposition, Work Choices is political gold. This is legislation that destroys job security, enshrines non-negotiable Australian Workplace Agreements that have cut remuneration for hundreds of thousands of vulnerable employees, and overwhelms employers, unions and employees in a suffocating mass of red tape.

When you spoke passionately about how Work Choices was devastating family life and redistributing power from the weak to the strong, the polls went with you. But in recent weeks you and your colleagues seem to have had second thoughts about promoting a fairer alternative. If it weren't for the narrowing in policy difference between the parties, the ALP's lead in the polls would be even greater.

There is no shortage of material for you and your colleagues to work with. You surely haven't forgotten how unpopular Work Choices is? A recent ABC Four Corners report exposed 18,000 employees working on identical AWAs in a workplace culture that has systematically and methodically stripped them of their humanity. Even their toilet breaks are monitored. The report suggested that such a culture contributed to the suicides of two well-regarded employees.

What is the ALP's position on this issue? Neither I nor the Australian people, have a clue. The silence is deafening.

Once again, as an election looms, I fear we are looking at an Opposition that chokes and lapses into defeatist, navel-gazing at the first sign of controversy. Instead of falling for Howard's tired and discredited wedge politics, Labor should trust the people. Look at how the Australian people have scorned Howard's invasion of indigenous communities as an election stunt. Look at how they've rejected Work Choices in one opinion poll after another. It's time for you to grasp the nettle, Kevin. Australians want a real Opposition leader, not a pale imitation of Howard.

~
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 10:59 pm
All that union bashing & he actually went down a couple of points in the most recent poll! ( a few days ago) OK, next tactic? :wink: :

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/07/03/040707_editoon_gallery__470x292,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 11:02 pm
Looks like we might have to have a "terrorist threat" in a couple of months then? If all else fails ........ Rolling Eyes
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 11:10 pm
Islamist terror main national threat, says Howard
Mark Dodd
July 05, 2007

ISLAMIST terror will remain one of the main national security challenges to Australia and its allies, globally and across Southeast Asia, John Howard said in a key policy speech today.

Recent thwarted attacks in London and Glasgow underlined the threat - with a possible connection to Australia, Mr Howard told the Australian Strategic Policy Institute in Canberra. .... <cont>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22020106-601,00.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 11:18 pm
... & in a rare moment of candour from the Libs ...:

Nelson: Oil a factor in Iraq deployment
July 5, 2007 - 10:50AM/the AGE

The Howard Government has today admitted that securing oil supplies is a factor in Australia's continued military involvement in Iraq.

Defence Minister Brendan Nelson said today oil was a factor in Australia's contribution to the unpopular war, as "energy security" and stability in the Middle East would be crucial to the nation's future.

Speaking ahead of today's key foreign policy speech by Prime Minister John Howard, Dr Nelson said defence was about protecting the economy as well as physical security. ... <cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/howard-links-iraq-war-to-oil/2007/07/04/1183351291906.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 12:43 am
Pity the same arguments weren't used with the politicians a short while ago, hey? :wink: This is such a miserable outcome for the lower paid. If the economy is doing nearly as well as the Libs tell us, then exactly what's the problem?:

Minimum wage decision 'sending families backwards'
Posted 1 hour 34 minutes ago
Updated 1 hour 12 minutes ago/ABC online


Unions say the decision to increase the minimum wage by just over $10 a week is shocking.

The Australian Fair Pay Commission says award employees earning less than $700 a week will get $10.26, while those with an annual salary of $36,000 will receive an extra $5.30.

The commission says the minimum wage rises will affect 1.2 million workers and amount to a real increase of 0.5 per cent.

Business groups were pushing for an increase of $10 a week, while unions argued $28 was fair.

The Australian Council of Trade Union's (ACTU) Sharan Burrow says the commission has missed an opportunity to increase the real wages of Australia's most disadvantaged people.

"The commission actually made a decision that sends working families backwards," she said.

"We will not accept [that] and working families won't understand why when the economy is so strong why they can't have a fair share of economic growth."


But the Australian Fair Pay Commission has defended its decision.

The commission's Ian Harper says the unions' demands would put too much pressure on the economy.

"It would cost jobs and it might well put additional pressure on interest rates," he said. ... <cont>

http://www.abc.com.au/news/stories/2007/07/05/1970839.htm
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vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 01:52 am
Quote:
ISLAMIST terror will remain one of the main national security challenges to Australia and its allies, globally and across Southeast Asia, John Howard said in a key policy speech today.


Its strange how the media uses correct terminology without most people ever understanding it.

I don't know if readers of this forum understand the terms, but here is how I understand it.

ISLAMIST is one who 'promotes' Islam as THE way of life in all things (govt included). By nature, an Islamist is an ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST.

An Islamic Fundamentalist, is not an Islamic Radical (which is sometimes erroneously used in place of Islamic Fundamentalist). An Islamic Extremist is sometimes used in place of Islamic Fundamentalist, however Islamic Fundamentalists don't see themselves as extremists - they see themselves as following the tenents of The Prophet.

They are fundamentalists because they follow the fundamentals of the founding era/teachings of Islam, which explains the use of terrorism, but not the use of suicide to carry out the said terrorism.

On a related note, Islam divides the world into two abodes - The abode of Islam, and The Abode of War. Can you guess when the world will be at peace, according to Islam?
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bungie
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 01:39 pm
From the Townsville Bulletin.
`Umpire's call'
SELINA SHARRATT
06Jul07
FEDERAL Employment and Workplace Relations Minister Joe Hockey has rejected claims the minimum wage increase delivered yesterday favoured the business sector while doing little to help struggling families.
The Australian Fair Pay Commission (AFPC) yesterday announced the nation's 1.2 million lowest paid workers would receive an increase of between $5.30 for people earning more than $700 and $10.26 for people on the lowest wage - taking the minimum pay to $522.05 per week.
But the union movement wanted an increase of $28 per week.
He rejected the unions' wage increase demands, labelling it as `highly irresponsible'.
"The union claim was highly irresponsible, it was a political and economically irresponsible claim from the union movement," Mr Hockey said in Townsville yesterday.
"This is an annualised increase of .1 per cent.
"It is a real wage increase for Australians on the minimum wage.
Mr Hockey denied minimum wage earners may find the $10 week increase a bitter pill to swallow when the recent decision to increase senior federal politicians' pay packets by about $150 per week was taken into consideration.
Full article here :-

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2007/07/06/4431_hpnews.html

So it's irresponsible for unions to ask for $28 per week for its members, but it's ok for a politician to get $150 per week. Talk about double standards.

ps msolga. hope you get better soon.
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bungie
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 02:13 pm
msolga wrote:
Looks like we might have to have a "terrorist threat" in a couple of months then? If all else fails ........ Rolling Eyes


bonzai will use something to tug at the heart strings or put fear into the electorate. Children are good material for "heart strings". ( children overboard / children outback)
Border sovereignty, immigration, terrorism, and law and order are good for the fear side of things. And for the "feel good" ploy, you offer good sized "one-off" payments to pensioners, carers, and single mothers etc.
Now, have I forgotten anything ?... oh yes, union bashing can win votes in the right quarters, so a good dose of exposing "union thuggery" is the just the medicine. The election "issues" are usually fairly predictable, but just watch out because he is good at pulling a rabbit out of a hat.

ps Would people considered "one-off" payments at election time a form of bribe ?
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bungie
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 12:38 pm
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.--Thomas Jefferson


I wonder if we can replace "Americans" with "Australians" ?
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2007 07:58 am
Thanks for your get well wishes, bungie. I'm getting there. But it'd be nice if it was happening a bit faster!

And of course we can replace Americans with Australians! :wink:
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bungie
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jul, 2007 12:11 am
This from the Age :-
Bosses make more dollars than sense

July 8, 2007

Investors cry foul over payments to ex-chiefs. Peter Weekes reports.

Sometimes the big bucks really do stop with the CEO, regardless of whether the company has been successful - or not. Investor groups were angered last week at news that the head of Coles could walk away with up to $50 million after he presided over a strategy that saw the retailer lose market share to arch-rival Woolworths.

"It's morally abhorrent," said Bob Andrew, the president of the Australian Investors Association. "It may well be, and probably is, all legal but from a moral point of view these people should admit they have screwed the shareholder."
(snip)
Phillip Spathis, the Australian Council of Superannuation Investors executive officer, said rewarding executives for failure was "galling".
(snip)
Mr Spathis said the large payouts "smacked of double standards in the midst of a industrial relations debate about pay for performance and the capacity for employers to terminate employees without recourse".

http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/bosses-make-more-dollars-than-sense/2007/07/07/1183351514361.html

I wonder if the workers at Coles will have to forgo any wage increases to make up for the 50mil ?
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2007 06:34 pm
Laughing Do you think this (Australian) headline is a tad optimistic? :wink: :

Newspoll: Howard checks Rudd's march
Dennis Shanahan, Political editor
July 10, 2007/the AUSTRALIAN

JOHN Howard has won overwhelming approval for his campaign to end child abuse in the Northern Territory, with his personal standing among voters drawing level with Kevin Rudd's for the first time in six months.

Despite the popularity of the move, however, the Coalition has failed to put any dent in Labor's election-winning lead.


The latest Newspoll, conducted exclusively for The Australian, reveals Labor's primary support has risen slightly in the past three weeks and its strong two-party-preferred lead is unchanged.

But support for the Prime Minister has improved since he announced the commonwealth takeover of isolated Aboriginal communities and repeated his determination to "stay the course" in Iraq.

In the past week, Mr Howard has also linked his Government's global defence policy with the attempted bombings in London and Glasgow and the subsequent police investigations in Australia.

According to the latest Newspoll surveys 61 per cent of voters agree with Mr Howard's actions in the Northern Territory. Even a majority of Labor voters approve of the plan.

While the majority of Australians want a definite deadline for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq, Newspoll found the single most popular option for troop withdrawal - 31 per cent - was to stay until the Iraqi Government asked us to leave.

In contrast to Labor's commitment to begin withdrawals from Iraq next year as part of a stronger commitment to our region, Mr Howard has argued that global terror and communications mean Australia must be ready to send troops anywhere in the world.

With a slight rise in his personal ratings, Mr Howard is now in his best position against Mr Rudd since shortly after he became Opposition Leader in December. .... <cont>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22047321-601,00.html
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bungie
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 01:07 am
This from The Age :-
Workers on good wicket, says Hockey

Michelle Grattan
July 10, 2007

WORKERS have never had it so good, according to Joe Hockey.

"Australians are on average working fewer hours, they've got more flexible workplaces than ever before and they're earning more money than ever before," the Workplace Minister said.

But he warned that mandating family-friendly working conditions could cripple many businesses, especially small business.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/workers-on-good-wicket-says-hockey/2007/07/09/1183833431767.html

This from SMH

Work killing the family, report says

Matt Wade
March 6, 2007

AUSTRALIA has emerged as one of the most intensely work-focused countries, but it is creating a human tragedy.

Research has found a strong link between long and unpredictable work hours and the breakdown of family and other relationships.

Australia is the only high-income country in the world that combines very long average working hours with a high level of work at unsocial times - during weeknights and weekends - and a significant proportion of casual employment.

These work patterns are making employees unhealthy, putting relationships under extreme stress, creating angry, inconsistent parents, and reducing the well-being of children, says the report by Relationships Forum Australia, titled An unexpected tragedy.

"These associations are evident when either or both parents work atypical schedules, so the timing of fathers', not just mothers', work matters to children," it says.

"Although low-income members of Australian society are generally more keenly affected by these changes, the impact is shared across all strata in our community."

More than 20 per cent of employees work 50 hours or more each week, and more than 30 per cent regularly work on weekends. When these measures of long work hours and weekend work are combined, Australia ranks as the most work-intense high income country. About 2 million people now lose at least six hours of family time to work on Sunday, and those hours are not fully compensated for during the week.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/work-killing-the-family-report-says/2007/03/05/1172943356155.html

Joe needs a dose of reality. Workers working less hours than ever before ?? .. Where has this man been ? Certainly not in the real world, that's for sure. I really burr up at tie wearing suit telling me I have never had it so good......... grrrrrrrrr ..
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 06:30 pm
What, no response to that terrific AUSTRALIAN spin? You folk disappoint me, really you do! Surprised

Joe Hockey is going to feel very bad & compromised about all his spin after the dust has settled. But then so should the Oz media. Just a passing whisper, now & then, about some desperate hardship out here in the real world. And not just workers. What about the unemployed? Oldies on fixed pensions? How are they getting by with the cost of living shy-rocketing as I type? But perhaps we're just whingers or we're imagining it all, bungie? :wink:
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