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The NEXT coming Oz election thread!

 
 
Adrian
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 11:26 pm
Speech from last year by John Faulkner

Quote:
Politics is as it is, not because of the nature of politics, but because of the nature of people.

To expect the practice of politics to be somehow nobler than your own workplace or community organisation, to expect politicians to be better and more virtuous than you yourself are, is to guarantee disappointment. If these are your criteria for a healthy democracy, you will inevitably conclude that the system is mortally sick. How else to react, but with anger, or with apathy?

Too many in our community and our media have precisely these unrealistic standards, combined with the weary cynicism of having seen so many fall short.


There's also the fact that things are going pretty well in Australia in terms of the average Joe's daily life. While that continues it's hard to get anyone particularly worked up about anything.
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lezzles
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 11:44 pm
I'm afraid that has pretty much hit the nail square on the head!

Added to which we can throw in some of those pettifogging little problems that are designed to take our focus off the really important issues.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 11:50 pm
So John Howard says that Muslims need to better intergrate into Australian society, but then comes out and defends the Exclusive Brethrens right to not intergrate into Australian society. Confused
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 02:21 am
Adrian wrote:
So John Howard says that Muslims need to better intergrate into Australian society, but then comes out and defends the Exclusive Brethrens right to not intergrate into Australian society. Confused


Has John Howard integrated?
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 05:53 am
Adrian wrote:
So John Howard says that Muslims need to better intergrate into Australian society, but then comes out and defends the Exclusive Brethrens right to not intergrate into Australian society. Confused


Yes, I found that very interesting, too, Adrian.

Interesting, too, that the Exclusive Brethren insist that their members totally shut themselves of from any media influences, politics, just about anything to do with contemporary life outside their community .... yet their leadership chooses to give money to the Nats. That looks like political involvement to me!

(Did anyone see the 4 Corners program this week on the Exclusive Brethren?)

But then, here's a prime minister who raves & raves about "Australian values" & is totally in thrall of Bushco. Where George goes, JH will take us, too! I think the man's confused.Rolling Eyes
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 06:26 am
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 08:43 am
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 07:25 pm
Adrian wrote:
Speech from last year by John Faulkner

Quote:
Politics is as it is, not because of the nature of politics, but because of the nature of people.

To expect the practice of politics to be somehow nobler than your own workplace or community organisation, to expect politicians to be better and more virtuous than you yourself are, is to guarantee disappointment. If these are your criteria for a healthy democracy, you will inevitably conclude that the system is mortally sick. How else to react, but with anger, or with apathy?

Too many in our community and our media have precisely these unrealistic standards, combined with the weary cynicism of having seen so many fall short.


There's also the fact that things are going pretty well in Australia in terms of the average Joe's daily life. While that continues it's hard to get anyone particularly worked up about anything.


Hi Adrian

Read John Faulkner's speech. Still mulling ....

While I understand what he's saying, I'm not sure that I totally agree with him. (Well, not at this stage, anyway ...)

I'm thinking that it's not so unrealistic at all, really, to expect the politicians who we've elected to the highest & most important positions in the country to be more noble & virtuous than they they have been (of late, especially). I certainly expect more of them than from community organizations, or my workplace, for example. They are governing for the whole population, after all.

I'd be very surprised if there wasn't wide-spread disappointment, anger (& despair, even) in response to the the disastrous mess that JH (along with Bush, Blair & co) has gotten us into. To me, it's not so much that I consider the system is "mortally sick", more that I'm disillusioned by the abuse of the system by some "leaders".
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 07:35 pm
http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5260259,00.jpg

AWB joked about cash for killings:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20500826-601,00.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 08:04 pm
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 04:34 am
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 05:23 am
AN overwhelming eight out of 10 Australians believe the Iraq war has not reduced the threat of global terrorism.
A new poll conducted by the Lowy Institute found two-thirds of Australians did not agree the war would lead to the spread of democracy in the Middle East. And a near-unanimous 91 per cent felt the war had "worsened America's relations with the Muslim world". ..... <cont>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20514911-601,00.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 09:30 am
Good grief! Shocked

But then, maybe yet another diversionary tactic to divert attention from the government's weaknesses. This is going to be a bun fight!:


Canberra to seize syllabus from states
Justine Ferrari, Education writer
October 06, 2006/the Australian


A NATIONAL board of studies with control of a uniform school curriculum is being proposed by the Howard Government in an attempt to wrest back control of schools from "ideologues" in state and territory education departments.

Education Minister Julie Bishop will attack state education bureaucrats and accuse them of hijacking school curriculums, distorting them with "Chairman Mao" type ideologies in a speech to the History Teachers Association of Australia today.

"Some of the themes emerging in school curriculum are straight from Chairman Mao. We are talking serious ideology here," she will say.

"Ideologues ... have hijacked school curriculum and are experimenting with the education of our young people from a comfortable position of unaccountability.

"We need to take school curriculum out of the hands of the ideologues in the state and territory education bureaucracies and give it to a national board of studies, comprising the sensible centre of educators." ... <cont>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20533224-601,00.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 09:37 am
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 09:16 am
http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5266935,00.jpg

msolga wrote:
Canberra to seize syllabus from states
Justine Ferrari, Education writer
October 06, 2006/the Australian


A NATIONAL board of studies with control of a uniform school curriculum is being proposed by the Howard Government in an attempt to wrest back control of schools from "ideologues" in state and territory education departments.

Education Minister Julie Bishop will attack state education bureaucrats and accuse them of hijacking school curriculums, distorting them with "Chairman Mao" type ideologies in a speech to the History Teachers Association of Australia today. .. <cont>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20533224-601,00.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 09:52 am
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 8 Oct, 2006 03:08 am
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 8 Oct, 2006 03:26 am
David Hicks, Guantanamo Bay, the new legislation & the forthcoming trial.
This article was written by former Liberal (conservative) Prime Minister of Australia from 1975 to 1983.:


America's great shame

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/10/06/dyson_0710_wideweb__470x303,2.jpg
Illustration: Dyson

By Malcolm Fraser
October 7, 2006/the AGE


The Australian and American governments have sought to label prisoners in Guantanamo Bay as dangerous and as evil; in their terms, as terrorists. The latest to join in this litany of inappropriate, pre-trial condemnatory comment is the new United States ambassador to Australia, Robert McCallum. It is another unwise intervention in Australia's affairs.

McCallum well knows that the American courts, Congress and President would not allow any American citizen to be tried in the military commissions, formerly established by President George Bush, now to be established, slightly modified, by law of Congress.

If those commissions are inadequate for American citizens, how does McCallum bring it upon himself to argue that they are adequate for an Australian? Indeed, the British Government has continually argued that the standard of justice was inadequate for British citizens. It has argued that Guantanamo Bay should be closed down, that it is a blot on the justice system of the United States and of the world.

The implications of the new legislation are unclear. The probability is they will not provide for a fair trial. It is possible to argue that the commissions authorised by Congress are even worse than the commissions established by the President, because the Congress has defined and impliedly endorsed inappropriate rules ... <cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/americas-great-shame/2006/10/06/1159641524120.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 8 Oct, 2006 03:37 am
.. & still more reading. On "Australian Values" this time. Authored by Tony Coady, professorial fellow at the Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics at Melbourne University.:

....... Our politicians are falling over themselves to reach the peak of Patriot Hill. They vie with each other to make new and more dramatic proposals for pulling the rest of us into line with some opaque vision of Australian values. The proposals range from the conspicuously silly, such a Kim Beazley's visa pledge to Aussie values for tourists to the downright unpleasant, such as Andrew Robb's proposal to force migrants to wait four years for citizenship instead of the present two. There is even a whiff of it in Julie Bishop's call for a common national school curriculum designed to fend off Marxist, feminist and even (God help us!) Maoist interpretations apparently being foisted on our unsuspecting Aussie kids by ideologues in state education bureaucracies.

Much of this combines exaggerated fear with extravagant attachment to a comforting fantasy of a stereotypical Australia. The fantasy is supposed to protect us from the fear. The fear itself is partly a genuine if overwrought fear of terrorist acts, and partly a formless dread of unusual foreigners, especially, nowadays, Muslims. .......

<complete article>
http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/the-folly-of-dangerous-and-foolish-patriotism/2006/10/06/1159641524117.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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lezzles
 
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Reply Sun 8 Oct, 2006 10:50 am
I haven't been contributing because for the most part I agree with what you have been saying.

I always thought Australian values could been summed up by the two words "fair play" but we seem to have lost sight of that somewhere along the line.
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