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Taken in by Aljazeera com - which ISN'T Al Jazeera - dammit!

 
 
dlowan
 
Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2004 05:40 am
Edit: This is the REAL Al Jazeera!!! http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage


Most of this thread was from a damned bodgy site!!!

I am going to throw myself off a bridge as a form of responsible social Darwinism!!!!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2004 07:09 am
Well - this time not FROM Al Jazeera - but ABOUT it.

I can only excerpt for copyright reasons, and I believe you must be a subscriber to access the article - but here is the url: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200411/tayler

The Atlantic Monthly | November 2004


Brief Lives

The Faisal Factor

A talk-show host on al-Jazeera targets those he believes are the worst enemies the Arabs have: themselves
by Jeffrey Tayler

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According to polls in the Arab press, the most popular talk show on al-Jazeera?the world's most widely watched Arab TV station?is Al-Ittijah al-Mu'akis (The Opposite Direction). Broadcast live each week since December of 1996, when al-Jazeera first came on the air, the show is hosted by Faisal al-Kasim, a bespectacled forty-two-year-old Syrian. Al-Kasim moderates while two guests debate a topic of his choosing; viewers join in by telephone, fax, and e-mail. No other Arab television personality is as controversial, as despised, or as revered as al-Kasim.

Headquartered in Doha, the capital of the tiny, thumb-shaped Gulf state of Qatar, al-Jazeera draws an audience of some 45 million viewers around the world, including eight million in Europe, where subscriptions doubled after the invasion of Iraq in 2003. It operates apparently without editorial constraint from the liberal Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, who founded the station to help reverse the authoritarian legacy of his father, whom he overthrew bloodlessly in 1995. The spirit of al-Jazeera's reportage often accords with the anti-Western sentiments pervading both the Arab street and the more educated milieus of the Islamic world, especially when it comes to Osama bin Laden and the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. But al-Kasim keeps his guns trained on what he regards as the true banes of his people: corrupt Arab governments and pernicious myths among Arabs about themselves. He has a penchant for tackling taboo topics on his show, and the opinions that he and his guests express about them can seem wildly iconoclastic (often, that is to say, true) to viewers brought up on state-controlled media..........

.....al-Kasim told me of the cosmopolitan life he has led. Born in a village near Damascus, he spent twelve years in England, where he earned a Ph.D. in English literature at Hull University. He holds Gore Vidal and Noam Chomsky in high regard, considering them to be the consciences of the United States; like Vidal especially, he is fascinated by conspiracy theories. He came to broadcasting by chance when, in 1988, he was introduced to the head of BBC Radio's Arabic Service at a party, and was invited to work for the BBC. In 1996, along with many of his Arab colleagues at the BBC, he moved to Qatar to begin work with al-Jazeera, eager to take part in the region's first experiment with free journalism. His goal? "To change the status quo, which is horrible politically, religiously, economically, in every way.".......



......Al-Kasim's first show, he says, "dissected" the Gulf Cooperation Council (the league of oil-rich monarchies and emirates that are responsible for some of the most closed regimes in the Middle East) "like a corpse," and since then The Opposite Direction has addressed an array of previously unmentionable questions in the Arab world, in terms ranging from the contrarian to the outlandish. Is Arab unity an unattainable myth? When was life better, under colonial or Arab rule? ("Eighty-six percent of our viewers who called in said they'd rather be re-colonized," al-Kasim told me. "The Algerians would welcome Chirac, if he decided to return.") Was King Hassan II of Morocco an agent of the Mossad? Should polygamy have a place in the modern Arab world? On that last show two female guests, one liberal and one traditional, traded insults during a commercial break and then began shouting at each other once back on the air, until the traditionalist stomped off the set. "What do you do when someone has been holding his hand over your mouth for years and suddenly removes it?" al-Kasim asked me rhetorically when describing that episode. "You go wild!"......



....Five Arab countries have withdrawn their ambassadors from Qatar to protest al-Kasim's broadcasts, and the KGB-like domestic-security services of a number of countries have at times prevented guests from flying to Doha to appear on the show. In these instances al-Kasim has proceeded anyway, taking phoned-in questions and also directing his cameras to an empty chair to embarrass the governments that forbid his guests from traveling.........

..... "I'm blacklisted by many countries, and smear campaigns are launched against me." After he devoted an episode to the "Zionification" of Iraq under the U.S. occupation, al-Kasim alleges, the Iraqi National Congress issued death threats against him and spread rumors on the Internet that he had sold out to Saddam Hussein (who was, oddly enough, a fan of his)....

....The Arabic words for "rotten," "disgusting," "foul," and "corrupt" peppered al-Kasim's speech whenever Arab governments came up in our conversation. But what, I asked, about the Abu Ghraib scandal, for example? Didn't the Americans merit the same censure?

Al-Kasim had opposed the invasion of Iraq, but he was loath to make comparisons of this sort. "Look, we [Arabs] have always been talking about America and the flaws in its democracy. But it's high time we talked about our own illnesses.".....Isn't it fitting," he said to the camera, "that we address the subject of the savage Arab prisons of Abu Qarib [roughly, "close to home"] instead of talking about the American [abuses in] Abu Ghraib? Shouldn't we thank the American media for exposing the practices in American Iraqi prisons ? in the hope that perhaps our Arab media might expose Arab security services, with their Nazi-like actions against Arab inmates?"......

.....Soon the cameras rolled. After a provocative pre-recorded introduction and brief biographies of his guests, al-Kasim introduced a live Internet poll of viewers on a question related to the topic of the day (a feature unknown in the Arab media before The Opposite Direction). In this instance the question was "Are Arab regimes refraining from condemning the abuse in Abu Ghraib because they're committing far worse atrocities in their own prisons?" (The vote, announced at show's end, revealed that 84 percent of respondents thought so.).......


..........(after a discussion of whether there is a 'culture of torture' in Arab prisons and countries, as asserted by one of kasim's guests, and denied by the other)......Al-Kasim countered, "But Arab leaders destroy entire cities and kill thousands [of their own citizens] ? How many Israelis has Sharon killed?"

Chouket interjected with a question one rarely hears in the Arab media: "How can we struggle against Israel with tyrannical and authoritarian regimes that violate people, with oppressed peoples that hate themselves, with terrorized peoples?"

The episode's climax came midway through, when Chouket, angered by the general's refusal to recognize the prevalence of torture in Egyptian prisons, shouted, "In Egypt in the 1960s, when entire political groups [were being destroyed], you were a member of the mukhabarat [secret police] and in charge of an organization condemned to this day for crimes against humanity and war crimes!" He soon began lamenting the state of Arab society. "Our political life is closed, and our freedoms usurped, and our people are oppressed and fearful, and if you don't say what the ruler wants, you're exiled beyond the sun!"..........

.........it (the TV program) was also emblematic of the problems afflicting Arab society?pitting a grim, powerful, and reality-denying general against a man who can question authority only because he lives in Holland. After the show was over and the guests had departed, al-Kasim and I walked out into the humid night. As we discussed the evening's conversation, I asked him if he hadn't let the Americans off too easily about Abu Ghraib. He dismissed the question. "The U.S. put the Japanese in camps during World War II; it had McCarthyism; and now they have Bush," he said. "But it will all pass. Democracy corrects itself." His mission, he clearly felt, was to help this process along. But standing on the sidewalk that night, outside the studio and far from the cameras that take him into the homes of millions, al-Kasim seemed very much alone.



Interesting entity, Al Jazeera, no????
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2004 08:30 am
Yes...a remarkable sprouting of the free press.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 07:43 am
Edited and trashed!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 07:45 am
grrrrrrr and Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 07:50 am
(Edit: Note - this post is from the Aljazeera.com site - not from the real AlJazeeraas thought when I posted it)

Al Jazeera on Israel - this page also included reader feedback:

Diplomatic phenomenon of Israeli attitudes to USA
12/18/2004 6:00:00 PM GMT
A flyer from a anti Israeli group in USA - natallco.com


Washington's support for Israel is a diplomatic phenomenon. Successive U.S. administrations have armed, financed and trained their Middle Eastern ally?s armed forces, regularly fed them key electronic intelligence while throwing an all-embracing protective diplomatic arm around the country. In return, Israel has meddled in the U.S. political process, killed 34 U.S. citizens when it attacked the spy ship the USS Liberty in international waters in 1967, routinely ignored even the mildest US requests and perhaps worst of all, regularly spied upon its faithful sponsor.

The nuclear weaponry that Israel developed at Dimona was very probably completed with secrets stolen from the Americans. It had long been suspected that Israel has abused its status as a friendly ally to plunder Washington?s secrets. Jonathan Pollard, the Israeli spy who by 1987 had plundered of US intelligence secrets is widely thought to be only the tip of an iceberg of Zionist penetration of America?s secret corridors of power. Even though US administrations have often been openhanded with their confidences, while many pro-Israeli statesmen have been happy to brief Tel Aviv?s diplomats and politicians on US thinking and intelligence, the Israelis have clearly felt it wiser to maintain their own secret sources of information. The thinking is clear. The time may come, incredible though it may seem to Israel?s supporters, when a US president is finally going to have had enough of seeing America being treated as a dupe and led around by the ring that has been put through its nose.

The latest example of Israeli disregard for Washington?s own policies and interests has come with industrial espionage and the sale of sensitive weapons technology to the Chinese. The matter is still murky but it is known that a weapons system sold to Beijing in the 1990s was returned to Israel for repair. It is said that the US was prepared to allow this. However, it is now furious to discover that far from being repaired, the weaponry has been upgraded with what Washington considers to be sensitive technology ? either given to the Israelis or stolen by their spies.

Such is the mood in the Bush administration that it has reportedly called for the dismissal of the Israeli official responsible for the Chinese ?repair? deal. Characteristically the demand has been rejected. It looks as if Washington is heading for a further humiliation at the hands of its good friend. It remains to be seen if the Bush administration is able to join up all the dots to see the full picture. It is angry because what the Israelis have done clearly affects the US military position with China. If President Bush?s pencil travels all the way to the end of the puzzle, he will see that Israel?s selfish behavior also affects the US military position with the Middle East, most particularly with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Americans may still believe that they have a plucky little ally out there in the Middle East, who deserves their unwavering support, but the truth is that while with one hand Israel welcomes US support, with the other it picks its ally?s pockets.


http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_ID=6288
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 07:56 am
That Israel is plucky there's no doubt...that there's no complicity in D.C. is a little more doubtful.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 07:56 am
Al Jazeera article on Bush's second term - again with readers' comments; You may notice I find this stuff fascinating!!!!

I suspect I am alone here in this thoygh. Sigh.

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_id=6318
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 07:57 am
What am I? Chopped liver?
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 07:59 am
I'm a little disturbed that you changed the thread title and added a post before my initial post. It could lead me to look like an idiot. I would have started a new thread.
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Einherjar
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 08:24 am
dlowan wrote:
Al Jazeera article on Bush's second term - again with readers' comments; You may notice I find this stuff fascinating!!!!

I suspect I am alone here in this thoygh. Sigh.

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_id=6318


I fel a bit silly posting with nothing to add, but in light of this comment I feel I have to. I suspect I'm not the only one secretly reading this thread.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 02:45 pm
Lol - I am such a wuss, amn't I???


But it DOES feel silly posting to nobody!!!!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 02:47 pm
panzade wrote:
What am I? Chopped liver?


No - you are a darling!!!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 02:47 pm
panzade wrote:
I'm a little disturbed that you changed the thread title and added a post before my initial post. It could lead me to look like an idiot. I would have started a new thread.


Huh? Did you post this by mistake???

I never did such a thing!
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 03:01 pm
guess I'm cornfused....never mind
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 03:10 pm
Pan - I haven't changed anything!
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 07:22 am
deb, did I reply to your PM? Or was it a dream?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 08:33 am
It was a dream!!! At least, I have no reply.
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 08:55 am
ok
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 09:21 am
Hey deb, isn't Aljazeera.com a rippoff of aljazeera.net? I remember stumbling on it a couple of times and realizing that it's not actually aljazeera the news organization.
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