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Mission Accomplished

 
 
gollum
 
Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2017 09:02 pm
If Putin did attempt to bring about the election of Donald Trump, why doesn't he make a grand statement boasting about his achievement of putting his man in the Oval Office?
 
roger
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2017 09:21 pm
@gollum,
He'd rather standing around smirking.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2017 09:25 pm
@gollum,
Probably because he doesn't want to effectively declare Trump an instant success of treason and subsequently declare war on the United States, when much of the country and its allies push for the UN removal of Putin from Russian power for his illegal manipulation of the US election.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2017 10:18 pm
@tsarstepan,
I doubt Russia is in awe of the UN, not to mention Russia's veto power.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2017 10:48 pm
@gollum,
Because Trump will be most effective delivering what Putin wants if there is still doubt among many that he did it. If Putin brags about getting his man in the White House, then out of pride many Trump supporters in Congress and the Senate will have to turn on Trump and not pass what Trump wants. Much better, from Putin's point of view, to deny and call the idea that he put Trump in the White House as preposterous.
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Villion
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2017 04:25 am
@gollum,
You demonize Putin making him more powerful than he is. Did it ever occur to you that Trump expresses the opinion of a part of the population of the USA? Putin is used like a scarecrow by your own manupulators.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2017 08:14 am
@gollum,
Trump's wicket is sticky enough already.

Quote:
The president-elect has been consistently skeptical about the US intelligence consensus that Russia ordered cyber-attacks on Democratic party targets as a way to influence the 2016 election in his favor – the reason for Obama’s new sanctions. At one point, he suggested the culprit might have been China, another state or even a 400lb man in his bedroom.

On taking office in January, Trump might therefore be expected to simply end the Obama sanctions. And as president, he could do so; presidential orders can simply be repealed by the executive branch.

But the situation is not that simple. If Trump did choose to remove the sanctions, he would find himself at odds with his own party. Senior Republicans in Congress responded to the Obama sanctions by identifying Russia as a major geopolitical foe and criticizing the new measures only as a case of too little too late. Some promised a push for further measures in Congress.

Trump may therefore choose not to reverse the new sanctions. If so, he will find himself at odds with the man he so constantly praises.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/30/donald-trump-russia-obama-sanctions
Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2017 08:46 am
@Villion,
Trump might well express the opinion of part of the USA, but the opinions that Trump's supporters might agree with don't extend to getting rid of NATO. The opinions the Trump supporters defend are making America more like it was in the 1950s, when so many of Trump's supporters were young. Of course, in the 1950s is when America was so anti-Russia and so committed to blocking Russian expansionism. Trump's victory lies in his ability to make his supporters ignore the support Russia is giving him, while Trump dangles the 1950s in front of everyone's eyes.
Krumple
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:10 am
@gollum,
gollum wrote:

If Putin did attempt to bring about the election of Donald Trump, why doesn't he make a grand statement boasting about his achievement of putting his man in the Oval Office?


Is the left getting this gullible to believe a Russian leader has power over US elections. Man if that were true how could you not boast about it? A dream of past Russian leaders to get their hands into US elections. They would kill for such influence.

Na its just leftist ignorance baffled as to why Trump won. Trump won because the left have become obnoxious over zealous PC police.
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Villion
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:58 am
@Blickers,
What support can Russia give to Trump? "Support" is an ambiguous word in this context. Is it money? Or is it that someone somewhere says that he sympathizes with Trump? Both mean support. If it is money does that imply that Trump payed American voters to vote for him?

The 1950s were the time that the USA enjoyed greater independence than now, the national debt was less whereas now it's so great that it is a question whether the government may be called yet government.

As to dangling it may be done both ways and it seems that Trump's opponents dangle mythical Russian support of Trump in the eyes of the public to hide the real foundation of Trump's success.
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2017 12:55 pm
I'm still waiting for some brilliant leftist to explain exactly and I mean exactly how Putin manipulated the election.
Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2017 08:46 pm
@Villion,
Quote Villion:
Quote:
What support can Russia give to Trump?

From the Washington Post:
Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House
By Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima and Greg Miller December 9, 2016

The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.

Intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others, including Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, according to U.S. officials. Those officials described the individuals as actors known to the intelligence community and part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton’s chances.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. “That’s the consensus view.”

The Obama administration has been debating for months how to respond to the alleged Russian intrusions, with White House officials concerned about escalating tensions with Moscow and being accused of trying to boost Clinton’s campaign.

In September, during a secret briefing for congressional leaders, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) voiced doubts about the veracity of the intelligence, according to officials present.

The Trump transition team dismissed the findings in a short statement issued Friday evening. “These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and ‘Make America Great Again,’ ” the statement read.

Trump has consistently dismissed the intelligence community’s findings about Russian hacking.

“I don’t believe they interfered” in the election, he told Time magazine this week. The hacking, he said, “could be Russia. And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey.”

The president-elect has gone to Michigan, Iowa, North Carolina and Ohio, and saluted workers at an Indiana plant where he says he saved more than 1,000 jobs.

The CIA shared its latest assessment with key senators in a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill last week, in which agency officials cited a growing body of intelligence from multiple sources. Agency briefers told the senators it was now “quite clear” that electing Trump was Russia’s goal, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.


That's just for starters.


giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:25 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

I'm still waiting for some brilliant leftist to explain exactly and I mean exactly how Putin manipulated the election.


Ah...As I thought...No takers.

In fact the election was never influenced by Putin at all. Just the snowflakes making excuses for being so out of touch with reality.
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Villion
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2017 12:20 pm
@Blickers,
The article proves clearly the impossibility of Russia interfering with the election. For the only allegation against Russia is that some unknown people hacked some emails. That childish reasoning just gives away the absence of any evidence to say nothing about common sense among those who would cling to it.
Blickers
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2017 10:23 pm
@Villion,
What article were you reading? The article I quoted said the CIA's assessment is that Russia hacked the Emails for the express purpose of aiding Trump in the election.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2017 04:10 am
@Blickers,
What's being ignored is what hasn't been disclosed. The Russians released all the dirt on the Democrats, but they're keeping Republican dirt on the back boiler. Blackmail coercion and God knows what are on the cards for the next five years.
giujohn
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2017 08:06 am
@izzythepush,
Wheres your proof?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2017 08:43 am
@Blickers,
Not a very good secret when the news reports on it. I'd mark that entire article as "fake" news.
mark noble
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2017 12:42 pm
@gollum,
Because he has integrity.
And he doesn't need to play 'tit-forTat' supremacy games with brainfckd fools, maybe.

I like him, Trump too.
Thank fck for intelligent ppl!

Farage, Gervais, Icke,Ken O'keefe, same.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2017 08:48 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote McGentrix:
Quote:
Not a very good secret when the news reports on it. I'd mark that entire article as "fake" news.

The article correctly stated that senior officials said the CIA told government officials that it's assessment strongly indicates that Russia was behind the hacking of the Democratic Party Emails for the express purpose of giving advantage to Trump, whom Russia wanted elected. That's real news.

How long are you going to pretend it is of no importance that Putin had his way with our election, especially considering Trump's statements about how we might forget about NATO and let Eastern Europe defend themselves against Russia, (Putin's fondest foreign policy wish)?
 

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