If free will is a concept, which must be tied to something. Otherwise, how could it come into existence as a concept in our minds? (other than perhaps of our own origination/free will)
Otherwise, how could it come into existence as a concept in our minds?
Quote:Ghurt, it's intuition. Without free will the entire shebang seems worthlessOtherwise, how could it come into existence as a concept in our minds?
There's something dualistically wrong with the idea of determinism, something we can't presently resolve largely 'cause of limitations in present reasoning process
Yes, no, I can't defend my position
I think that fate in fact does make sense, but that does not mean that we can prove such. I don't think we can prove anything with absolute conclusively; we can only convince. So, I will try to do so here.
ok so we take the word fate. Here is its definition: the development of events beyond a person's control, regarded as determined by a supernatural power.
This seems to be exactly the same as determinism, except for that word supernatural in there. So, here is its definition:(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature
So, combining the two definitions we have: the development of events beyond a person's control, regarded as determined by an event attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding and the laws of nature.
Hm. On second thought, I'd say this matches the view of determinism exactly. determinism states that everything that occurs is determined by some prior event and could not occur in any other way. For fate, we have the development of events beyond a person's control, which were determined by an event (a prior event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding and the laws of nature. You may say that this does not make sense because we can understand why the determining event occurred, or what the force was which caused it, but if you go back far enough there are things which are beyond our understanding, such as why the universe exists in the first place. Also, we cannot directly experience the past, only our memories of it, so we cannot have absolute certainty about it.
Worthless? What if I enjoy my daily programming?
What can be proved though? Why does it matter that something cannot be proved? How does this make it "invalid" and non-existent? What does it mean for something to exist?
Who is at the mercy of whom?
For one thing, how do we know if this insane person actually believes there is a diamond? If he did, wouldn't it follow that he would have a reason why the diamond could not be dug up or simply allow it to be dug up?
Ah ok so he simply has it in his mind that there is this diamond and is in denial of the truth. You say that free will is like this diamond. It is "abstract and less clear". Ah well, that does not mean that we cannot understand how or why such a thing occurs in a humans mind. If this were impossible, then the thing must have appeared for absolutely no reason, meaning that it is originated in and of itself just like actions of free will. This is contradictory. So, in my original post I attempted to explain the nature of free will.
What is the difference between ourselves and our will?