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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2006 08:26 am
Ive been following these "generic Congress" polls for a few months now, Keltic. And they'd been largely stable so far, much like the CBS one still is. This discrepancy here is really quite unusual.

Could mean things are starting to happen, could mean the Gallup one is an outlier (even Gallup can have an outlier).
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2006 09:25 am
kelticwizard wrote:
I think it is the fact that the midterm elections are approaching, and a few disgusted Republicans are realizing that when push comes to shove, they dislike the Democrats even worse than the president they're stuck with.


Quite.
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2006 09:30 am
nimh wrote:
Ive been following these "generic Congress" polls for a few months now, Keltic. And they'd been largely stable so far, much like the CBS one still is. This discrepancy here is really quite unusual.

Could mean things are starting to happen, could mean the Gallup one is an outlier (even Gallup can have an outlier).


I think you're making a mistake to attach any relevance to the so-called "generic" polls, as they're not proven to be reliable predictors of the outcome of an election, nor even reliable as a guide to how people actually vote.

Waste of time, in my opinion.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2006 12:36 pm
The four chaps around Russert's table this morning, Bob Novak and the others, with the proviso that lots can happen in two months, each said they saw congress falling dem (Novak figures up to 30 seats will go, where 12 are needed) and perhaps the Senate as well, though that's tighter. The more conservative estimates came from the two Dem pundits.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2006 12:39 pm
Huh.

That could be, as you said earlier re: Hillary, an intended wake-up call and get-out-the-vote from the Republican side.

I dunno, haven't got a handle on this one way or the other. Neither result (in favor of Republicans, in favor of Democrats) would surprise me right now.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2006 12:47 pm
soz

It didn't come across that way (I was looking for indicators of just that). There seems to be a consensus building within the washington pundit community (for what that might be worth) that the "tidal wave" thing is quite likely.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2006 01:24 pm
blatham wrote:
There seems to be a consensus building within the washington pundit community (for what that might be worth) that the "tidal wave" thing is quite likely.

Could be a self-catalyzing pro-Democratic meme. I like it. Sure, my favorite scenario is a little wave, one that gridlocks Congress without replacing Republican domination with Democratic domination. But under current circumstances, I'll take any tidal wave I can get.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2006 01:48 pm
SierraSong wrote:
I think you're making a mistake to attach any relevance to the so-called "generic" polls, as they're not proven to be reliable predictors of the outcome of an election, nor even reliable as a guide to how people actually vote.

Fair enough point. They are of limited use in actually predicting the outcome - its more of a barometer of political mood. But that in itself can be a useful thing. In the meantime, yes, concrete polls for individual races are the more relevant ones in calculating seat changes. Right now, those are still pointing to the Republicans hanging on in House and Senate - if only by their teeth.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 28 Aug, 2006 05:13 am
Thomas wrote:
blatham wrote:
There seems to be a consensus building within the washington pundit community (for what that might be worth) that the "tidal wave" thing is quite likely.

Could be a self-catalyzing pro-Democratic meme. I like it. Sure, my favorite scenario is a little wave, one that gridlocks Congress without replacing Republican domination with Democratic domination. But under current circumstances, I'll take any tidal wave I can get.


Normally, I'd have at least some affinity for the "gridlock" inhibiting or balancing mechanism. Not now. I consider this administration far more destructive and authoritarian than Nixon's was, and that was bad. I wish a dramatic shift in power with two particular ends in mind: first, deep and thorough and consequential investigations into every facet of governance over the last six years which this administration has stonewalled and, second, corrective moves to review/replace the thousands of politcal appointees who've been placed throughout government. Make that three...I also desire the reinstitution of media balance legislation along with a reworking of media ownership legislation.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 28 Aug, 2006 05:16 am
Quote:
Real Wages Fail to Match a Rise in Productivity

By STEVEN GREENHOUSE and DAVID LEONHARDT
Published: August 28, 2006
With the economy beginning to slow, the current expansion has a chance to become the first sustained period of economic growth since World War II that fails to offer a prolonged increase in real wages for most workers.

That situation is adding to fears among Republicans that the economy will hurt vulnerable incumbents in this year's midterm elections even though overall growth has been healthy for much of the last five years.
link
This ought to exert some influence on voting. We'll see.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 28 Aug, 2006 07:38 am
blatham wrote:
I consider this administration far more destructive and authoritarian than Nixon's was, and that was bad.

I agree -- but unlike you, I view the current destruction and authoritarianism as endogenous to the present one-party rule. Thus, my hope is that it ends this November. While I prefer one-party rule by the other party over the current cast, it's a distant second choice for me.

But before we go in circles over this, I suggest we settle it like men. 5th November, Central Park, at sunrise? You choose the weapons.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 28 Aug, 2006 08:05 am
Sunrise is a bit early. How's 11? For weapons, trained vampire bats.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Mon 28 Aug, 2006 08:30 am
You might want to consider The Avengers' John Steed's answer to the same challenge: "Featherdusters at fifty paces". Very Happy
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 28 Aug, 2006 08:34 am
Shorten the distance considerably and it is, as chance would have it, precisely what my ladyfriend and I fought with last evening. She won.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 28 Aug, 2006 05:16 pm
Report on the last debate between Rhode Island Senator Lincoln Chafee and his challenger in the Republican primaries, Stephen Laffey, here in the Providence Journal:

Debating differences
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 29 Aug, 2006 08:00 am
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Riding the "macaca" wave
It's just one poll, it's within the margin of error, it's still a couple of months out, but ... Zogby says that Jim Webb has erased George Allen's double-digit advantage and taken a one-point lead in the U.S. Senate race in Virginia.

Well, Webb didn't do that. Allen did. John Zogby tells the Wall Street Journal that the turnaround in Allen's fortunes can be attributed to the "colossal political crackup" over Allen's "macaca" moment.

Overall, the Journal says, Zogby's polling shows that if the November elections were held today, Republicans would hold on to the Senate, albeit with a reduced 52-46-2 majority -- the "2" being Jim Jeffords and Joe Lieberman. Along with all the usual caveats, it's worth noting that the Journal's poll report doesn't include all of the states with Senate races this year. Among the strangely missing: Montana, where Democrat Jon Tester is in a neck-and-neck race with incumbent Republican Sen. Conrad Burns.

Other for-what-they're-worth prognostications:

Bloomberg's Al Hunt says that "barring an unexpected and big event," Democrats will win the House and have a shot at the Senate in November. "We have to go back to 1974 to find such a favorable environment," Hunt quotes James Carville as saying. "If we can't win in this environment, we have to question the whole premise of the party."

Stuart Rothenberg says Democrats shouldn't have to ponder that "it's making us sick just to think about it" question. "Our latest race-by-race review of congressional districts around the country convinces us that a Democratic wave is building and that the party is poised to take control of the House of Representatives in the fall," Rothenberg writes. "The only question now is the size of the November wave." Rothenberg's current prediction: The Democrats pick up 15 to 20 seats in the House, an increase from the eight to 12 seats he previously thought the Democrats would net. "Unlike previous cycles, when the burden was on Democrats to create upsets, the onus is now on the GOP to save at least a handful of seats before Election Day," Rothenberg says.

Brookings' Thomas Mann is even more bullish on the Democrats' pickup opportunities in the House. He expects Democrats to gain 25 to 35 seats in the House and gives the party a 50-50 chance of taking the Senate, too.

And speaking of 50-50 -- or at least 49-49-2 -- the Cincinnati Post's John Hall imagines a scenario in which the Democrats pick up just enough Senate seats to hand the question of party control to ... Joe Lieberman. Hall advises Ned Lamont supporters Howard Dean, John Kerry and Hillary Rodham Clinton to "get ready to genuflect in 2007."
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 29 Aug, 2006 01:08 pm
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Overall, the Journal says, Zogby's polling shows that if the November elections were held today, Republicans would hold on to the Senate, albeit with a reduced 52-46-2 majority -- the "2" being Jim Jeffords and Joe Lieberman.

No, not Jeffords. Bernie Sanders will be the independent from Vermont.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 29 Aug, 2006 03:18 pm
The Congressional Quarterly has changed its assessment of the House race to replace DeLay:

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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 29 Aug, 2006 04:48 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
No, not Jeffords. Bernie Sanders will be the independent from Vermont.

Yes, Bernie, America's lone Socialist Congressman! Though he doesnt seem to play that label up so much anymore.

He's still the man though:

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Bernie Sanders believes that in the richest nation in the history of the world, all Americans should enjoy a decent standard of living. He believes that it is unacceptable that millions of people are forced to work for sub-standard wages and lack health care, decent housing and educational opportunity. He regards it as a national disgrace that the United States has, by far, the highest rate of child poverty of any industrialized country and a childcare system that is abysmal. He regards it as unconscionable that the United States remains the only country in the industrialized world which does not have a national health care system guaranteeing health care for all, and that millions of seniors lack the prescription drugs they desperately need.

Most of Sanders' energy has been devoted to issues that affect the needs of the people that government often ignores - working families, the middle class, the elderly, children and the poor. In a nation in which the wealthiest one percent own more wealth than the bottom ninety-five percent, and where the CEOs of major corporations earn 500 times what their employees make, Sanders believes that the middle class and working families of our country need all the help they can get.

That's from bernie.org 's About Bernie page. Its just a pity - but unavoidable, I guess - that any mentions of the word "socialist" has been relegated to the recommended reading section:

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*More information about Congressman Sanders can be obtained from his political autobiography, Outsider in the House by Bernie Sanders and Huck Gutman, Verso Press, 1997. Other books that describe his political career as Mayor of Burlington, Vermont and candidate for Congress are: People's Republic: Vermont and the Sanders Revolution by Greg Guma, 1989; Challenging the Boundaries of Reform: Socialism in Burlington by W.J. Conroy, 1990; Socialist Mayor: Bernard Sanders in Burlington, Vermont by Steven Soifer, 1991; Making History in Vermont: The Election of a Socialist to Congress by Steven Rosenfeld, 1992.

Mind you, perhaps you can forgive him for being slightly defensive. Its true, Bernie is tremendously popular in Vermont - he won 68% of the vote in his last House race. And little has changed since I posted here that he was outpolling probable Republican challenger Tarrent 61% to 24%, a few months ago - an early August poll had him leading 70% to 23% (though an ARG poll had Sanders leading by "just" 56% to 35%).

But facing a seemingly insurmountable task, Tarrent has spent the kind of money Vermont hasnt seen before, and decided to go dirty real early. His lasy ad apparently accuses Sanders of protecting drug dealers, child pornographers and child molesters...
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 29 Aug, 2006 04:51 pm
Mind you, Tarrant's attack ad is apparently moderate compared to one recent standard... Greg Parke, now again also still in the Republican primary race, ran against Sanders for the House two years ago, and, as the Sanders site recounts,

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released a radio advertisement that was a parody of "The Dating Game."

"Today's contestant, little Socialist Bernie Sanders. Crazy Bernie is a holdover from the Woodstock days of reefer and flowers," the ad began. "Bernie loves long walks on the beach with child pornographers and pedophiles, candlelight dinners with illegal aliens, cozy evenings by the fire with al-Qaida terrorists. … If you're an illegal alien, pedophile terrorist who performs partial birth abortions on 12-year-old girls without their parents' consent, then you and crazy Bernie are a match made in heaven."

That ad was denounced by Republicans and Democrats alike, and was immediately pulled.

Yeeaahh..
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