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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 05:44 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
As an American citizen I hold out the hope that the GOP will, at worst, reliquish control of the House but retain the Senate.

Well that should be setting the bar low enough.

By now I'd be disappointed, I admit, if the Dems did not win the House -- but the Senate? Still seems a long shot. I'd still be highly surprised - pleasantly surprised, of course - if they make that one.

They're not gonna win Virginia, so they'd have to win both MO, where the race is a total toss-up, and TN, where Ford would be the first Dem to win in over 25 years and the first black in the South to win since Reconstruction. I hope he wins, of course, but I'm not counting on it - definitely not on both him and McCaskell winning.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 06:32 am
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D'Amato, the voluble Republican who served 18 years in the U.S. Senate until he was defeated in 1998 by Charles Schumer, sees demographic change -- the increasing numbers of Hispanic and African-American voters -- as offering Democrats a growing advantage in party registration. Hispanics, of course, are also a growing part of the electorate in other key states, some of them traditionally Republican.

But he adds that "there is something broader than the Republicans falling on hard times, which they are." He notes that in New York, "after the tenure of a strong governor," the party that long held power often sees its organization fall apart. This happened to Republicans after Rockefeller's long run and to Democrats after Pataki defeated Mario Cuomo in 1994. With Pataki retiring, it's the Republicans' "time in the skillet," said Assemblyman Pete Grannis, a Manhattan Democrat.

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D'Amato, normally a happy Republican warrior, is in a blue mood about November. "You have a foreign policy which is groping and a domestic (Mark) Foley scandal, so you have a lot of disaffected people and I think it's going to result not only in the Democrats taking over the House, but also with substantial numbers."

As New York goes, so goes the nation?
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 06:45 am
nimh wrote:
TN, where Ford would be the first Dem to win in over 25 years

Hm thats weird. I distinctly remember reading somewhere, "would be the first Democrat elected since 1980" - but then I was doing random things and suddenly thought, wait a minute - what about Al Gore then? He was a TN Senator until 1993. And (I checked) there was another Democrat for the subsequent year till the '94 elections, and one James Sasser was another Democratic TN Senator only unseated in that year. What gives?

EDIT: Ah, this is where I went wrong. I misremembered the sentence, "Tennessee hasn't elected a Democrat to the Senate since 1990" as 1980 rather than 1990 - and yeah, Sasser may have been in office until the 1994 elections, but he was last elected in 1988, and Gore in 1990. OK, got it.
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 07:23 am
It's actually rather enjoyable reading the polls that show a tidal wave of support for the Democrats. It clearly gets the lefty posters here all excited. (They just eat that BS up).

It will be even more fun to watch their reaction when November reality sets in and they try to think up the lies about voter fraud, the religious right, Karl Rove ... blah, blah, blah.

The Republican's GOTV is a machine that the Donk party just cannot match - nor do they even try.

Democrats win polls. Republicans win elections.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 07:30 am
So that means you're taking the bet, then? Republicans put their money where their mouth is, right?

As for what this lefty is expecting (I mean, I'm doing 70% of the posting here, so I'm guessing you're talking about me), I already posted that just now - Senate stays Republican, but the Democrats win the House.

What's your take then, exactly? That both Houses stay Republican? I mean, just for confirmation's sake..

By how much are you thinking the Republicans will keep the House, then?
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 08:38 am
It wouldn't be fair for me to bet a Canadian on the outcome of a U.S. election. On election day, I'll be voting while he'll still be sitting on his couch watching CNN and salivating over erroneous exit polls.

What will the final numbers be? Don't know. Don't care. What I do know is that the majority of Democrats are lying, sleazy bastards who are very well aware they couldn't possibly win an election by running on their actual, left-wing, America-hating agenda.

Consequently, they will stoop to the lowest levels to camouflage what they really believe and use any means available to tear down the opposition and gain power for themselves.

The weird Canadian guy has BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) to the degree that he can't or won't recognize that while the average voter may have some gripes here and there, that doesn't translate that they believe in high taxes, state-run healthcare, gun control, abortion, etc. etc. etc.

He reminds me of all the other post-modern pseudo-intellectual wannabes, for whom gibberish and grievance are 'argument'.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 09:02 am
Wow!

If degree of SierraSong hysteria correlates with the Dem's chances, things are lookin' GOOD! :-D
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 09:43 am
SS wrote
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On election day, I'll be voting while he'll still be sitting on his couch watching CNN and salivating over erroneous exit polls.

Actually, my ex wife who lives here on Long Island asks me each election for whom she should vote (she's not politically inclined but knows I am) and she casts the vote I would cast. Sorry about that.

But if anything happens to increase your confidence in the electoral prospects for your party, the wager offer will stay open. And if not, the rest of us can do the classic american thing of putting weenies on sticks and cooking 'em up good with the readily available hot air blasting from your posts.
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 10:18 am
Based on that reply, I should amend my statement on Democrats to include anyone on the Left. They really are lying, sleazy bastards who will stoop to the lowest levels to win.

Here's a prediction for ya ...

None of the weird Canadian's buddies will see anything wrong with this statement:

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Actually, my ex wife who lives here on Long Island asks me each election for whom she should vote (she's not politically inclined but knows I am) and she casts the vote I would cast. Sorry about that.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 10:23 am
Jesus! Careful now. These beef weenies are charring.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 02:21 pm
SierraSong wrote:
It wouldn't be fair for me to bet a Canadian on the outcome of a U.S. election. I do know that the majority of Democrats are lying, sleazy bastards who are very well aware they couldn't possibly win an election by running on their actual, left-wing, America-hating agenda.

Consequently, they will stoop to the lowest levels to camouflage what they really believe and use any means available to tear down the opposition and gain power for themselves.

The weird Canadian guy reminds me of all the other post-modern pseudo-intellectual wannabes, for whom gibberish and grievance are 'argument'.
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But you would still be willing to make the same bet with an American? You say the House will stay Repub. I say it will go Dem. $100 to your favorite charity/non-profit if you win. $100 to your local NPR station if you lose.

(ps. I did cut and paste a little there, but I don't think I altered the thrust of the thought at all).
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 02:44 pm
nimh wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
As an American citizen I hold out the hope that the GOP will, at worst, reliquish control of the House but retain the Senate.

Well that should be setting the bar low enough.

By now I'd be disappointed, I admit, if the Dems did not win the House -- but the Senate? Still seems a long shot. I'd still be highly surprised - pleasantly surprised, of course - if they make that one.

They're not gonna win Virginia, so they'd have to win both MO, where the race is a total toss-up, and TN, where Ford would be the first Dem to win in over 25 years and the first black in the South to win since Reconstruction. I hope he wins, of course, but I'm not counting on it - definitely not on both him and McCaskell winning.


Not really.

I would be happy to see the GOP retain both houses, but I don't think that's likely, so the worst outcome (I hope) is that they only lose the House.

Setting the bar low would be to hope that, if they lose the Senate, they still have enough votes to resist cloture on any filibuster they mount.

I'm really not worried about the Senate, although of course it's possible the Dems will take it. The House is my concern.

Ford is a good candidate, but he is black and I think the polls that show him in striking distance cannot be relied upon. I hope I'm wrong and that he loses a very tight race, but I've seen this sort of thing in other elections.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 04:33 pm
This thread was supposed to be reportorial and non-partisan. I reckon I have no problem with it turning into the typical political thread. Nothing can be done to stop that anymore.
I see the House of Representatives as going to the Dems. The numbers just aren't working for the Repubs. How bad it will be for them depends on the turnout. It could be not so bad to really bad.
I have the Senate as ending up 50-50, but it could just as well end up 51-49 in favor of the Repubs.
I agree with what Finn seemed to be saying in his carefully chosen words about the TN senate race. Folks, when talking to the press or a pollster, will say that it makes no difference that Mr Ford is black...but when they get into the privacy of the voting booth...
We went through that here in Virginia when Doug Wilder ran and won for governor.

I still have incumbent George Allen (R) beating Jim Webb (D) for Senate here in Virginia. But I must acknowledge the job that the Young Democrats at UVA did last night. There is a home football game today between UVA and Maryland. 65000 folks or whatever in town. They posted signs and banners everywhere along the main roads, including on places that caused me to wonder how they got up there. They all read "Webb." And when I went to work at 8 am there were kids standing on the street corners with "Webb" signs. 8 am on a Saturday.

I have mentioned before that Virginia is a state very much in transition.
It will be interesting to see how much it has changed beteen 2004 (when Mr Bush carried the state) and now.
Thank you for reading this. -johnboy-
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 07:12 pm
SierraSong wrote:
What will the final numbers be? Don't know. Don't care. What I do know is that the majority of Democrats are lying, sleazy bastards who are very well aware they couldn't possibly win an election by running on their actual, left-wing, America-hating agenda.

Consequently, they will stoop to the lowest levels to camouflage what they really believe and use any means available to tear down the opposition and gain power for themselves.

Ha ha ha, just the answer I expected! So basically, you're saying that:

a) You're well willing to engage in generic sneers about how "Republicans win elections" and it "will be fun to watch [the lefties'] reaction when November reality sets in"; but

b) as soon as you are asked to actually put yourself down, concretely, as saying that you expect the Republicans to hold the House, for example (let alone with what specific number), you quickly backtrack and create yourself an 'out': if the Democrats will win its only because, you know, the devious buggers camouflaged themselves.

So much for your sneering confidence about that superior Republican GOTV machine, huh? Laughing
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 07:13 pm
Of course, you might still prove me wrong and take Realjohnboy's all-American wager instead... Sierra?
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 07:22 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
This thread was supposed to be reportorial and non-partisan. I reckon I have no problem with it turning into the typical political thread. Nothing can be done to stop that anymore.

Yeah, plus - its frustrating but I guess just how it works - I mean, Ive put in loads of information into this thread, obviously - but you'll have noticed - 34 pages for this thread, which has covered two election cycles - and a mushrooming 50 pages for the mutual sniping on Who will win in November?

So sometimes, like today, I feel like just giving in and rolling with it. I mean, I gotta admit - some of the folks on the other side of the fence are such (Sier<cough>ra) that you cant help it - sniping's just a guilty pleasure. Mr. Green

But dont worry, substantive stuff will follow again later..

Oh, and I pretty much agree with all of your assessment - seems about exactly right.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 07:39 pm
From Rasmussen:

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RI Senate: Chafee now down by 10, 49% to 39%

10 October

He prevailed in Rhode Island's highly watched Republican primary, but incumbent U.S. Sen. Lincoln Chafee (news, bio, voting record)'s road to November 7 looks to be an uphill one. The latest Rasmussen Reports election survey shows Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse leading the incumbent 49% to 39%.

When leaners are included in the total, Whitehouse leads by nine, 51% to 42%. The current results are similar to our previous poll which found the Democrat leading by eight points. The race remains in the "Leans Democrat" category for our Senate Balance of Power summary. [..]

It's worth noting the difference [..] in how the candidates are perceived by their respective party bases. Twenty-five percent (25%) of Republicans report "very unfavorable" opinions of Chafee and 32% feel very favorably toward him. On the Democratic side, 58% have "very favorable" opinions of Whitehouse and only 3% feel very unfavorably. [..]
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 05:10 am
Here's an interesting editorial from The Johnston County Sun, a Kansas paper...

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Why our shift?

This is a sneak preview.
As we prepare ourselves to make political endorsements in subsequent issues, I can tell you unequivocally that this newspaper has never endorsed so many Democrats. Not even close.

In the 56 years we have been publishing in Johnson County, this basically has been a Republican newspaper. In the old days, before the Republican civil war that fractured the party, we were traditional Republicans. That is, we happily endorsed Jan Meyers for Congress, Bob Dole for U.S. Senate, Nancy Kassebaum for U.S. Senate; virtually every Republican state legislator from here, with a few rare exceptions; and most governors, although we did endorse the conservative Democrats George and Bob Docking and John Carlin.

The point is, I can name on two hands over a half century the number of Democrats we have endorsed for public office.

This year, we will do something different. You will read why we are endorsing Kathleen Sebelius for governor and Mark Parkinson for lieutenant governor; Dennis Moore to be re-elected to the U.S. Congress; Paul Morrison for Kansas attorney general; and a slew of local Democratic state legislative candidates. These are not liberal Democrats. They are what fairly can be described as conservative Democrats, and we can prove that in our forthcoming endorsements.

But I could not help but put in perspective a more global phenomenon that has led us to re-evaluate our traditional support for Republicans.

This change may come as no surprise to our most cynical conservative readers who would dismiss me (and others on the editorial board) as being a moderate Republican and, therefore, the same as a Democrat. To them, there is no difference.

But the shift, frankly, shocks me, because I have pulled the lever over and over since my first vote in 1968 for Republicans. If I was a closet Democrat, I must have hidden it well, especially from myself, since I always beat up on Democrats in my columns. I have called them leftists, socialists, and every other name in the book, because I thought they were flat-out wrong.

And, for the most part, I still do. I am opposed to big government. I have little use for unions. I never liked the welfare plans. I am opposed to weak-kneed defense policies. I have always been for fiscal prudence. I think back to the policies of most Democrats, and I cringe.

So, what in the world has happened?

The Republican Party has changed, and it has changed monumentally.

You almost cannot be a victorious traditional Republican candidate with mainstream values in Johnson County or in Kansas anymore, because these candidates never get on the ballot in the general election. They lose in low turnout primaries, where the far right shows up to vote in disproportionate numbers.

To win a Republican primary, the candidate must move to the right.

What does to-the-right mean?

It means anti-public education, though claiming to support it.

It means weak support of our universities, while praising them.

It means anti-stem cell research.

It means ridiculing global warming.

It means gay bashing. Not so much gay marriage, but just bashing gays.

It means immigrant bashing. I'm talking about the viciousness.

It means putting religion in public schools. Not just prayer.

It means mocking evolution and claiming it is not science.

It means denigrating even abstinence-based sex education.

Note, I did not say it means "anti-abortion," because I do not find that position repugnant, at all. I respect that position.

But everything else adds up to priorities that have nothing to do with the Republican Party I once knew.

That's why, in the absence of so-called traditional Republican candidates, the choice comes down to right-wing Republicans or conservative Democrats.

And now you know why we have been forced to move left.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1459&dept_id=155743&newsid=17284084&PAG=461&rfi=9
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 07:38 am
realjohnboy wrote:
I see the House of Representatives as going to the Dems. The numbers just aren't working for the Repubs.


By 'numbers' you're referring to the polls, right? All I can tell you is that as a Republican, I certainly have never engaged in activity such as keeping polling places open in my own district past the deadline, or destroyed the opposition's yard signs, or smashed into DNC headquarters buildings or slashed a Democrat's tires.

I have, however, lied to pollsters. Twisted Evil

realjohnboy wrote:
I agree with what Finn seemed to be saying in his carefully chosen words about the TN senate race. Folks, when talking to the press or a pollster, will say that it makes no difference that Mr Ford is black...but when they get into the privacy of the voting booth...


Then in the very next sentence, realjohnboy wrote:
We went through that here in Virginia when Doug Wilder ran and won for governor.


Huh? So, in the first instance, when the voters get into the privacy of the voting booth, what? Finish the sentence, please. When voters were in the privacy of the voting booth in the case of Doug Wilder, they (the majority) pulled the lever for him. They obviously thought he was the best candidate regardless of race.

I don't know all that much about Harold Ford, I'll admit, but then I don't live in Tennessee. I can assure you, though, that I've never voted based on the color of someone's skin. Ford failed the bar exam (I think sometime in the late 90's), yet has, on several occasions, lied about 'being a lawyer'. Maybe voters will be thinking about stuff like that in the voting booth.

And, I'll respectfully decline your offer to 'bet' on who'll win. I've made no secret of what I think, and have only attempted to point out a time or two why a "Dem landslide" is unlikely. You have your opinion and I have mine, so let's leave it at that.

It does amuse me to see that no one here has actually been able to predict just what seats the Dems will actually take next month. Not here, nor on any of the Lefty websites I've perused. Curious, isn't it? Smile
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 07:19 pm
The Washington Post has a new poll out this weekend on the Senate race in Virginia:
Allen ( Repub-incumbent): 49%
Webb (Dem): 47%
Parker (Independent): 2%
Undecided: 2%
Much closer than I would have expected. The Independent candidate has campaigned on only one issue. This is true. Her only issue is getting trucks off of interstates and onto railway tracks (or something like that. While I agree with what she might be suggesting, um, if you want to be senator, shouldn't you have an opinion on Iraq or the economy or...
My thinking is that any defections will end up in the Webb site.
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