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Do opinions and ideas persist after death?

 
 
Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 06:53 am
When we die, assuming the self persists is it plausible that reality continues as ideas and opinions? Is God subject to perception, or to beliefs?
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sky123
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 12:56 pm
@Thomas33,
Let's assume Y=X^2.
A two dimensional curve consists of X and Y.
The projection of Y=X^2 on X axis is a simple straight line. (Y=0)
I think now we live in X axis( Y=0 or this world).
When we die we will see and touch newer axises. (X and Y or Life after death).
We will just see the more complete world.
What we saw once as a simple straight line would turn out to be a curve with it's extremums.
We will just see the reality behind the clouds of distances and spaces and time.
So nothing will be destroyed or disappeared.
Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 02:08 pm
@sky123,
All life will apply to whatever is post-death. Post-death will be blind to life.
However, if life is defined by subjectivity, is it possible for post-death to not in any way be another clash of meaning?
Life can be perceived as a clash of meaning, and so by default whatever's post-life must be free of that state; but how can that freedom possibly be no error, when the clash amidst life encompasses all meaning (including anti-meaning)?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 02:09 pm
@Thomas33,
Thomas33 wrote:
assuming the self persists


way too big an assumption to make
Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 02:37 pm
@ehBeth,
If the self perishes with death, can ideas if not opinions still exist?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 02:42 pm
@Thomas33,
Of coarse. Look at all the books written by dead authors.
Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 02:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think that ideas cease.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 03:09 pm
@Thomas33,
They persist Tom in one's soul. That's everything about one except his body

Yes, no, it's pretty apparent one's consciousness goes poof. But everything else you leave behind is your soul
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 03:11 pm
@dalehileman,
Quote:
But everything else you leave behind is your soul


I think rather than 'soul,' it's the impression they leave of who they were. Impressions are subjective.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 03:14 pm
@Thomas33,
Not quite sure though Tom, what means the self persisting

As far as reality I'd suppose you can perceive its continuance by defining the word as need be. So you might clarify a bit

But thank you for forcing an old guy to think a little. Getting harder and harder
No puns intended
dalehileman
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 03:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
it's the impression they leave
Okay Cis but now you'll be asked to define "impression"
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 03:21 pm
@dalehileman,
Quote:
im·pres·sion
imˈpreSHən/Submit
noun
1.
an idea, feeling, or opinion about something or someone, especially one formed without conscious thought or on the basis of little evidence.
"his first impressions of Manchester were very positive"
synonyms: feeling, feeling in one's bones, sense, fancy, (sneaking) suspicion, inkling, premonition, intuition, presentiment, hunch; More
an effect produced on someone.
"her courtesy and quick wit had made a good impression"
synonyms: impact, effect, influence
"school made a profound impression on me"
a difference made by the action or presence of someone or something.
"the floor was too dirty for the mop to make much impression"
2.
an imitation of a person or thing, especially one done to entertain.
"he did an impression of Frank Sinatra"
synonyms: impersonation, imitation; More


ergo: subjective.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 03:24 pm
@Thomas33,
Thomas, what is your first language?
Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 03:31 pm
@dalehileman,
The self would mean self-awareness.
The state of post-life obviously can only be speculated on, but I think a logical conclusion would be that whatever it is, it doesn't recognise our current perception of reality (ala ideas and opinions).

Does this rule out ideas and opinions? Of course not. I am however intrigued by the notion that ideas and opinions never existed to begin with, and therefore post-life won't be the absence of anything, just the true understanding.


Which I suppose is the real question: if understanding needs contrast, how can the state of post-life be justified?
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Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 03:33 pm
@ehBeth,
I'll rephrase: if self-awareness perishes with death, ruling out opinions, is it possible that ideas continue?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 05:24 pm
@Thomas33,
Sure; it happens all the time within families/parents and their children.
Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 05:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This is pertaining to the deceased.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 05:47 pm
We don't have any evidence, no one has come back to report.
Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 05:58 pm
@Setanta,
What's your instinct? What could ideas be, if they exist after death?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 06:22 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
We don't have any evidence, no one has come back to report.

Opinions on that definitely vary. And will continue to.
 

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