Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 11:30 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
In no way have you established there is a god to help you.
I admit that. All I can do is encourage you to look through the microscope yourself.

And ask for help if you need it...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 11:32 am
@Leadfoot,
Quote:
microscope
? LOL
Actually, science proves there is no god. It refutes what's in the bible.
Glennn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 11:57 am
@Leadfoot,
Quote:
You forgot the starting point. The fact that we can't see electrons or God.

We'll start here. Do you believe that atoms exist?
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 11:59 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Actually, science proves there is no god. It refutes what's in the bible.
There he goes again...
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 12:00 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

Quote:
In no way have you established there is a god to help you.
I admit that. All I can do is encourage you to look through the microscope yourself.

And ask for help if you need it...


And we all will go clear.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 12:04 pm
@Leadfoot,
Yes, again and again and again.....

God is imaginary.
Quote:

Proof #1 - Try praying
How might we prove that God is imaginary? One way would be to find a contradiction between the definition of God and the God we experience in the real world.

What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.

This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.

If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
Glennn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 12:26 pm
@Leadfoot,
Quote:
The fact that we can't see electrons or God.

Your argument is: We can't see electrons, but they exist, and therefore, since we can't see the god, it exists as well as the electron.

Not logical.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 12:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
That was a long way from science proving God does not exist but Ok, I'll do my best to answer this one.

1. As you quoted from the book, "For every one who asks, receives...".
The 'one' is important. In my experience, God desires a one to one relationship with everyone. You cannot do someone else's praying or asking.

2. Accept that life here has a finite span. Cancer is one result of our bodies being programmed with a given lifespan. It is not reasonable for you to ask God to change his fundamental plan on earth. Ask sincerely about YOU and you get answers.

3. You might ask about cancer or some other malady for yourself that you think is untimely. He may cure it or more likely, not.
The question to ask might be - Why did this happen to me at this time? What possible purpose could it serve? If there is one and you earnestly ask, he will tell you. Or maybe it's just time for you to go if your time here is up.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 12:33 pm
@Leadfoot,
Quote:
Ask sincerely about YOU and you get answers.

What have you asked for that was answered by your god?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 01:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:

What have you asked for that was answered by your god?
Everything.

Starting at age 7 (I think) I made my first request. I still remember it clearly. I was walking home from school looking around at trees, buildings, cars, etc. and thinking, this could not have just happened. I said my first prayer which went:

"God, if you are there, please tell me what all this is for. I really need to know."

I asked for more mundane stuff too. I was enthralled with flight and spent hours staring at pictures of airplanes and telling God I wanted one. My favorite was the Bell X-1 or the P-51 and years later i ended up with one that looked much like a cross between them. Considering my background and the poverty I was in, it seemed miraculous.

I can say honestly that I got literally everything I ever asked for with one exception but I expect that one will come eventually. I want to live in the society that he showed me was possible.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 01:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Quote:
Ask sincerely about YOU and you get answers.

What have you asked for that was answered by your god?


Let's see him ask about himself with a drone dropping its payload on him.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 01:26 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Let's see him ask about himself with a drone dropping its payload on him.
I'm ready. Bombs away.

Did you miss the post where I said I was looking forward to death?
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 04:10 pm
@snood,
I did not, of course, mention evil doers. Not find a single example? From May, 2006, at the bottom of the first page of a thread about Islam, in which not a single anti-religious remark or insult of the author had been posted (Xingu did note the great pleasure he experiences in ignoring religion), you wrote,
in your post #2067461


snood wrote:
Hey kev - just to let you know...

A lot of people just post on the religion threads to criticize and ridicule. Be aware, they don't have good intentions toward you.

If they were acting on good motives, they would leave the religious threads to those with religion, or at least make an effort to treat the religions with some respect. But as you can see, their intentions are not positive.

I just wanted to let you know, so that you don't expect anyone here to try to discuss your posts seriously.


Dyslexia did post to comment on how much he loves jello. You are suffering from a bad case of confirmation bias, especially if you cannot recognize how often "the faithful" (i.e., the god botherers, the ones who are always telling god what to do and think) come here to pick fights with atheists, as though atheists were some monolith of people who all think alike. I didn't say that you personally accuse so-called atheists of being amoral or immoral. There's enough loons around here to do that that you can rest easy. I don't consider you a loon, although you certainly seem to be awfully thin-skinned when it comes to your imaginary friend. If you consider imaginary friend to be a pejorative term, just give us credible evidence that your magic sky daddy is really there--you'll be famous for sure, possibly rich, and certainly can shut up the evil non-believers (the term i actually used) for all time.

EDIT: If you truly had good intentions toward non-believers, you'd leave threads by and about non-believers alone. Want me to find some examples of that?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 04:23 pm
@Leadfoot,
Ooh. Somebody call the suicide hot line.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 04:26 pm
@edgarblythe,
is that 911 or 511? Need to know where he lives.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 04:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Not sure.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 04:29 pm
@Setanta,
Man, if that's your representative example of me "attacking evil non-believers" I don't think I've been all that combative. I can certainly cop to being a little thin skinned. Can you?

Smileyvirus started a thread recently where he asks some good questions that attempt to focus those on both sides toward being able to discuss these things without it being necessarily contentious. All I've been able to contribute so far is to tell him I thought they were good questions, and that I don't know the answers.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 04:30 pm
@edgarblythe,
Here's some important info on telephone prefix.
211: Human services = crisis intervention,information and referral assistance 24/7
311:Used to call the police when there isn't an emergency(mostly used in San Francisco, Berkeley and San Jose)
511:Used for deployment assistance and gaining information related to travel
611:Used to get information on my At&t cellphone services.
711: Relay service for the deaf and hard of hearing
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 04:50 pm
@snood,
You wrote:
I'd be interested in you showing me an example of me rushing in to "attack the evil-doers". I don't think you can find an example of when I was not responding to jeers, but initiating.


I provided you an example of you initiating the nastiness, and now you want to equivocate and find yourself innocent. How surprising!
snood
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2016 05:21 pm
@Setanta,
I don't find myself innocent. Just not as nasty as you seem to suggest. Do you instigate nastiness?
 

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