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How can a good God allow suffering

 
 
think rethink
 
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Reply Sat 15 Apr, 2017 11:24 am
@SawyerMentink,
How can a god be good?

God is a word pointing to itself.

Banana is a word, representing a fruit.

The word God, represents the word.

Even if the concept shares a perfectly identical truth out there,

The word still points to the fabricated concept, because the person uttering the word is not intending the facts but the fiction.

The word fiction points to itself also.

So if I produce a movie and want to present it as fiction,

The statement,
This is a story of God,
Is just as expressive like advertising,
This is a story of fiction.

Fiction points to an assumption, no less than God does.

So maybe asking why the assumption is so wicked and cruel,
I would ask why is the assumption?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 15 Apr, 2017 12:13 pm
@think rethink,
think rethink wrote:
I would ask why is the assumption?

Because it's just as valid as any other assumption regarding God, like the one you've presented.
think rethink
 
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Reply Sat 15 Apr, 2017 02:48 pm
@InfraBlue,
Hi infra.

To clarify,
I don't assume stuff, my energy is more precious than wasting it like this.

Those who do assume, and accompany their assumptions with why,
I tell them, shift the why question on stage earlier, and let it consume the assumption.


Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2017 05:48 am
@think rethink,
It sounds like you are assuming God is fiction - no?
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richardg
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2017 04:00 pm
@TomTomBinks,
There is a difference between pain and suffering.
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peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2017 07:15 pm
If there is no God, there would be no sufferings.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Apr, 2017 07:33 pm
@peacecrusader888,
Suffering is all part of nature; it's all part and parcel of our genes and biology. It has nothing to do with gods or no gods.
Gods are a creation of man, and man has created thousands of them.
peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Fri 28 Apr, 2017 10:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Suffering is all part of nature; it's all part and parcel of our genes and biology. It has nothing to do with gods or no gods.
Gods are a creation of man, and man has created thousands of them.

We remember God when we are suffering. We don't remember that there is a God when everything seems to run smoothly. The spirit of Ama said, "Habang ang sakit ay marami, ang pagtawag sa Diyos ay marami. Nang gumaling na at bumuti, Diyos ay hindi na masabi." ("When we are suffering, the call to God is many. When cured and healthy, God is not uttered.")


think rethink
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2017 05:20 am
@peacecrusader888,
The invention called God, is the suffering itself.
One is not calling God because he is suffering,
Rather, one is suffering because he is calling God.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2017 12:52 pm
@think rethink,
Deep man, really deep...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2017 01:30 pm
@peacecrusader888,
Belief in god makes one believe that prayers are heard and responded to. But that's all in the mind of the believer. There's nothing out there that answers prayers.
However, research at Stanford and Yale Universities have shown that prayer does work for the one who prays. Third party prayers do not work. It's all in the mind.
think rethink
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2017 09:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Prayer is an act of concentration with a positive attitude, it is primarily a focused, positive based vision.

As such, it is invalidating competing negative visions, it is obviously incredibly powerful, in result.

In my experience,
Viewing the prayer, as praying to its own energy (without personal intervention, with the recognition that the praying occurred without personal initiation, because personal initiation in general, has never taken place),
Is more beneficial than interpersonal prayer (especially when praying for improved mental performance and spiritual Revelation).
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2017 11:58 am
@think rethink,
I have been to several countries where during praying, they swing back and forth. I believe it has some positive effects on the prayor.
think rethink
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2017 08:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Any physical motion which as it is performed, is intended as a physical expression of prayer,
Will inspire the prayer to intensify.

And this applies to the expression of almost anything.

A ceremony of dance for example, dedicated to symbolize an important spiritual discovery for instance,
Will greatly intensify the impact that this discovery will have on your transformation and development.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 2 May, 2017 06:08 am
@think rethink,
That theory would not go over well in a Buddhist temple :-)
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Smileyrius
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2017 06:03 am
@think rethink,
think rethink wrote:

The invention called God, is the suffering itself.
One is not calling God because he is suffering,
Rather, one is suffering because he is calling God.

You appear to be suggesting that without a God, there would be no suffering. Please feel free to correct me when I'm wrong, which is often I might add 😉
onevoice
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2017 06:31 am
@think rethink,
Quote:
The invention called God, is the suffering itself.
One is not calling God because he is suffering,
Rather, one is suffering because he is calling God.


Interesting perspective rethink. I am interested in how this theory works for you and where you came up with it? Meaning, did you read this in a book, hear it in a lecture of some sort, or come up with it on your own? And if you are willing to explain... What exactly does this mean to you personally?
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Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2017 11:40 am
@SawyerMentink,
SawyerMentink wrote:

How can a God that is good allow human suffering?


Free will!
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2017 12:04 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Alan McDougall wrote:

SawyerMentink wrote:

How can a God that is good allow human suffering?


Free will!

You might need to expand on that one please al
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think rethink
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2017 08:50 pm
@Smileyrius,
If you distinguish suffering from pain, with the former being a reaction produced by the ego, vs the later being the action itself.

I would confirm your conclusion according to your assumptions about the origins of ego along with a belief that ego intensity in the religious ego is much worse, than in other ego types .

(myself I guess, that religion was the first ego concept, Wich enabled the establishment of various other ego types to follow.
So if the elimination of the God ego, along with its distorted attitudes of responsibility, judgment, separation between your experience of yourself​ as an individual, and your experience of yourself as a public or as an external human being,
a delusional sense of choice and control,

will result in the annihilation of all ego,
I would conclude that there will be no more Suffering).
 

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