I need help figuring out the signature of my Painting.

@ckdrew670,

On a whole level about the quality of the OP painting.

I think Reinhardt is off the trail.

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@bobsal u1553115,

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h336/OneTallGentleman/Painting10_zpsxd9vdxgj.jpeg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h336/OneTallGentleman/Painting11_zpseuq6k5lx.jpeg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h336/OneTallGentleman/Painting12_zps3wsfyngp.jpeg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h336/OneTallGentleman/Painting13_zpsd90cdtra.jpeg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h336/OneTallGentleman/Painting14_zpsd5xv0mug.jpeg

I think the idea of donating art supplies is a great idea.

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@Onetallgentleman,

Good stuff!! Give me till tomorrow.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Thanks so much...

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@Onetallgentleman,

According to the red label, it was sold for 140 Deutschmark by the antique dealers ??? in Verden (Between 1962 and 1993 due to the postal code.)

And someone with the initials "B.N." bought it (green label).

It looks it has been an auction.
My first idea was that 'Sabatier' had ealt this painting. But it's too low priced for them, and they don't do auctions (and din't, I think).

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@Walter Hinteler,

Sorry for the above typos.

I can't get the signature, but this kind of painting was very popular in the 50's and 60's of last century. (And sold in that mentioned price range of +/-140 DM)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Is it possible that they marked the price lower in order for the buyer to pay less tax? Do you have an idea how old my painting is (This will help me figure out the Original Cost, using an Inflation Calculator)

Thanks

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@Onetallgentleman,

Onetallgentleman wrote:

Is it possible that they marked the price lower in order for the buyer to pay less tax?

No. (Well, everything is possible.) Prices, however, are here for any buyer of any product as labelled = nothing is added.

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@Onetallgentleman,

Onetallgentleman wrote:

Do you have an idea how old my painting is (This will help me figure out the Original Cost, using an Inflation Calculator)

Not at all. As said, this kind of painting was very popular in the 50's and 60's here in Germany. (And still is with certain customers).
140 DM would have been the price for a better painting in the 1960's, for a lower average one in the 1980's. (The period, it was sold)

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@Onetallgentleman,

Onetallgentleman wrote:

This will help me figure out the Original Cost, using an Inflation Calculator)

You only can compare the price with artwork sold here in Germany - transforming Marks to Dollars will give a wrong picture. (Today, it would be 70€/$80)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Why should the buyer pay less taxes?
I thought it is usually a seller - when the sum is very high - who has to pay taxes.
As far as I know you usually do not pay taxes on things you buy. You can deduct the amount from the taxes if it has to do with your work/ houseimproving and similar things.

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@saab,

saab wrote:

Why should the buyer pay less taxes?

I didn't want to indicate such at all - sorry that my response wasn't clear enough.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Your response was clear enough - it was the question by OP which I did not understand.

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@saab,

Who is "OP"?

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@Onetallgentleman,

Opening poster (Person who started the thread)

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The 'duh' moment: contact the auction house and give them the information on the tags.

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@bobsal u1553115,

All I can figure out, is the name on the top of the pink label which looks like Labitos Acquisition. I also searched Google for a Auction in Verden/Aller and all I came up with is Horse Auctions.

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@Onetallgentleman,

Onetallgentleman wrote:

All I can figure out, is the name on the top of the pink label which looks like Labitos Acquisition.

You mean that?

The last definitely is "Antiquitäten". And I read the first as "Sabatier".
Certainly you have a better view at the original than I have via the pic.

Onetallgentleman wrote:

I also searched Google for a Auction in Verden/Aller and all I came up with is Horse Auctions.

Due to the (fixed) price label, I think it could have been sold at a regular art and antique dealer's.
Thus, I already guessed earlier, it could be Sabatier.
But again, I only have to rely on the photo.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Mr. Hinteler,
I will try to get a better picture posted with a better Camera. I'm just trying to find the range of years it was possibly made so I can have an idea on it's value. I do differently agree with you on the painting being sold at a regular art and antique dealer. I will see if I can find anything on Sabatier Antiquitäten.

Thanks,

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@Walter Hinteler,

Mr. Hinteler,
I just found Sabatier Antiquitäten

http://www.landkreis-verden-navigator.de/inhaltsverzeichnis/details/poi-907000594-20680-Sabatier_Antiquitaeten.html

http://shop.sabatier.cc/

Does this look correct ?

Dan

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