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unormal voltage drop!

 
 
Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2016 10:20 am
hi all dears.

we have a AF compressor with a 450 kw electromotor with soft starter WEG. when we start the motor till to ramp up catches 2200 A for 20 second from netwok. we have atransformer with 20Kv and 2000KVA specification in our network .we connected this transformer with 6*1*240mm^2 cables (distance is less than 20 m) per each phase to a disjunctore and in asame way to main distribution panel (MDB) . we connect main distribution panel to compressor with 3*1*150 mm^2 per each phase . in the ramp up we have 40 volt drop till to MDB and 40 volt drop in our motor input .its strange ! i chechked my cable design and every connections .there was ok what do you think about this too high voltage drop ?? .

best regards
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timur
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2016 11:04 am
I think it's quite normal.

At the start, the motor can take up to 6 times the In.

So In=6x450=2700 kW

You have 2000*cos φ (usually around 0.8) = 1600 kW available.

You can see why you have a voltage drop of 40 V.

Nothing to worry about.

Now, if you have a voltage drop of 40 V during established functioning, you can worry about.

elias-butterfly
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2016 12:37 pm
@timur,
but we have soft starter! we have 40 v drop till our MDB and another 40v drop till our motor terminal .40+40 for a system with a soft starter is very dangerous !
timur
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2016 12:56 pm
@elias-butterfly,
You didn't say if you are:

- Measuring the voltage drop during the start up stage or during the established functioning.

- Measuring with a RMS device.


A 40 V voltage drop is not usually dangerous for a soft starter, a 80 V drop is.
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JTElectric
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 10:33 pm
@elias-butterfly,
For power efficiency, the NEC standard of 5% maximum voltage drop is recommended.
From a safety perspective, because wiring connections in some homes deteriorate with time (particularly in homes that use aluminum wiring for power circuits), and do-it-yourself modifications may be less than professional, excess voltage drop is a concern because of the potential fire hazard at high resistance connections, particularly on circuits that power electric motors while occupants of the dwelling are asleep, e.g. air conditioners, refrigerators, furnace fans, exhaust fans, etc.
Some agencies arbitrarily set a maximum voltage drop criteria of 10% to be considered unacceptable and a hazard. The author believes that any voltage drop difference of >1% from an adjacent receptacle should be investigated, that any voltage drop difference of >2% from an adjacent receptacle should be considered a hazard, and that using a maximum voltage drop criteria of more than 8% (3% above the “efficiency” recommendation) is courting disaster. A 3% voltage drop (3.6 volts in a 120 volt circuit) at one connection with a 15 ampere flow develops 54 watts of heat - which can cause ignition under certain conditions.
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