Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

True. But it wasn't the choice between Erdogan and May ...

You missed entirely the point. We can't start at perfection we have to track back...

...as for Democracy God forbid a direct democracy...look what the Brit referendum did...I actually care enough for ppl to let them shoot themselves in the head. You, not so sure now.

Erdogan and Turkey in EU? Then I will move out.

What wasn't a choice between Erdogan and May? The referendum wasn't, sure. But Fil made it clear just now he felt better about Hungary and Turkey than about Britain. Instead of trying to "punish" Britain in some kind crazed 21st century Versailles-like move, why don't to you look to your own affairs? Isn't there some kind of charter of human rights that you can use to shut Orban down? Why aren't you looking at that?

Germany has no fiscal problem. They reformed their welfare system a long time ago under Schröder. They already have semi decent armed forces and can easily do better.

As for camaraderie between the US and the French at sea, of course! I don't see why not. As you said the two people have always been close.

They were flying the Super Étendard back then?

It didn't look that way in 2003, did it? The next time the US and the EU disagree on military strategy and war, can we trust the UK to contradict the US and align with France and Germany??

I just want to mention that I (more precisely: the boat I was on) had been part of the 1° Escadrille de Dragage for a couple of weeks. And I've been on the Le Redoutable before leaving Cherbourg in September 1970.
L'aviation navale ... m'as-tu-vu

Yes, but I always found the "super" a bit odd. Excellent performance, but it is smaller than an A 4 ( Skyhawk, or "scooters" as we called them - you could move your head just a few inches either way before your helmet hit the canopy. They then also operated some F8U "Crusader" fighters, an old U.S. Navy favorite with great performance ( but tough to land on a carrier)).

After the Beirut barracks bombings in the 1980s ( both U.S. and French barracks were bombed). We planned and practiced for a joint strike with Clemenceau & its Air Wing , but backed out at the last moment, because some idiot in Washington couldn't verify the perpetrators were actually at the planned target. Their force was a mixture of Etendards and Crusaders.

Interestingly the newer French Carriers of the Charles de Gaulle class are designed to operate U.S. E-2 and F-18 aircraft - fully compatible for joint operations - something we never enjoyed with the Brits. (Though I did an exchange tour flying Buccaneers off the old Arc Royal ).

We broke the speed-record of a Sirius-class minesweeper ... when towing one.
They had gas-turbines (2000 hp), max speed officially 15 knots.
Officially, we could do 17 knots with our Maybach diesels (4000 hp). However, one diesel was a 2.600 Mercedes diesel - giving us a normal travel speed of 18 kn, up to 22 kn depending on the chief's mood.
Towing was done normally with 13 kn up to 15 kn ... we did 16 for a short while with the French behind us ...

Why have we devolved to a tribal trivia context ? People bored ?

...ooh, how clean and sanctimonious of you.
I am aiming at a freaking possible future where we can have a relational bound to Arabs to pull them out of middle age into modern European values and for that we need a freaking bridge. How hard is this to grasp?
You want a clean house start cleaning don't expect to get one clean from the get go.

I agree, and I'm glad you made it a subject that should be discussed.

Towing is inherently dangerous - a lot of stored energy in the tow line. I practiced it in a Wichita class AOR, but the whole damn process made me nervous.

Were the French chasing you ?

Only with you.

I see myself out.

Brexit is likely to overshadow matters for many years to come, so just let's have a short break.

No you can't, because countries don't always take sides based on shared sets of values. However, Britain is more likely to take your side in that kind of situation if you are its main trading partner, than it would be if you let them become dependent on Donald Trump for trade.

(Disclaimer: I can't claim to know how most Brits think, because even though I am a citizen of the UK, i have never been a resident.)

These comments are a prime example of tribalism.

No they aren't. They are consequential comments in regard to your actions. I have no grudge with your culture, but I resent your recent selfish act of sheer stupidity. Ironically you are the tribal ones with a complex of superiority out of date and fashion. You would be pro-European if you could rule alone...I know what you problem is...

You are angry at all the British people, or you at least feel they should have hell to pay. That is a tribalist position. That is the kind of attitude that leads to war. You keep referring to my actions? What are MY actions? Your comments indicate that you do not consider Brits to be individuals, but rather some kind of hive mind. Somehow *I* am guilty because 13 Brits voted LEAVE for every 12 who voted REMAIN. I don't even live in the UK, so I didn't vote, but I supported the REMAIN side strongly.

I have no problem at with your people. Whoever they are. I only have a problem with you personally.