Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

@georgeob1,

Sure EU can fall with Trump on one side, Le Pen in the middle, n you guys rocking the tree to stand afloat. But unless the world has gone full monkey that will be prevented by whatever means necessary.
Germany has not rearmed before cause US was half sane till Trump. Now they don't have a choice but do it as fast as possible. The South Europe has no choice in a Global world but to shut up. Better EU bureaucracy then China or Russia calling the shots. If Germans have not enough to rearm US will fund it or risk Puttin taking over a shattered Europe.
As for breaking rules, you have a point when you break rules you can afford to break...

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@cicerone imposter,

I was not criticizing your competence CI. The world is just to entangled complex to make adequate predictions even for top notch Economists. My point was debt rules the planet Economy and we live in a Global one.
For a clear perspective I stick to essentials.

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@georgeob1,

From an economic independence standpoint, I also agree that the Brits made the right choice. Many of the Euro countries have suffered from inflation, and they have no control over it. That's going to be a long-term problem, because not all Euro economies are created equal; not culturally, language-wise, and what their economic strengths and weaknesses are.
Within the same country, supply and demand was the driving factor of how things were priced. How does a country do that with many countries with different supplies and different demands using the same currency?
The currency market usually stabilizes the different currencies as to their worth or value.
Look how deflation and inflation affected Italy since the Euro.
https://www.ft.com/content/bd801984-e029-3c23-af48-978e5294e22c
Italy's survival is at risk.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/11/italy-must-chose-between-the-euro-and-its-own-economic-survival/

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:

The level of threat does not depend on EU membership. The UK will be just as exposed post Brexit as they were before it.

Nonsense. They will be in full control of their own Borders, thereby eliminating an immediate threat.

The perpetrator of the recent attack on the parliament was born in the UK.

Three of 4 London subway attackers in July 2005 were born in the UK. The fourth one came from Jamaica with his family when he was 5, and converted to Islam years latter, while in the UK.

Following news much?

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From a purely military point of view the EU powers (with the exception of France) no longer have the power to even defend themselves.

With the death of NATO now a distinct possibility, this is indeed a big issue, but it's one that has nothing to see with the EU. The EU has never been a military alliance. The UK is not exiting NATO just yet.

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Street gangs?

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@georgeob1,

Nah... The only lesson of history is that the big powers swallow or marginalize the small powers.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

How could any reasonable European government construe this to be a threat, and their their prior implications that the UK would be penalized economically for the Brexit as anything else but an equivalent threat.

Seems very childish to me.

Confusion over May's veiled Brexit threats signals problems ahead

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Different takes on whether article 50 letter seeks to blackmail the EU on security shows Downing Street must up its game
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Not everything was as clear with Theresa May’s article 50 letter to Europe on Wednesday, at least judging by the reaction, which alighted squarely on the veiled threats, rather than the many expressions of loyalty.
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Many interpreted the letter as a veiled attempt at blackmail, with the Sun suggesting it was a case of “your money or your lives”. The interpretation was prompted by successive passages in the letter referring to security, including one saying: “In security terms a failure to reach agreement would mean our co-operation in the fight against crime and terrorism would be weakened”. ...

In what are likely to be very open negotiations, there will be other similar storms in the future, and Downing Street will need to be quicker on its feet. At the very least it appears no one in Downing Street proofread the closely guarded letter through the prism of myriad possible media interpretations. Or alternatively, they did, and saw no harm in sending the veiled threat.

Even so, some European diplomats based in London on Thursday admitted to being surprised that the letter had been interpreted so aggressively. One diplomat said: “Overall, we saw the letter as quite constructive, and warm about Europe. If the UK was to end security cooperation, they know would only be pointing a gun at its own head. We do not think Britain wants to do that.”

Another said: “I started reading this interpretation breaking out on Twitter in the afternoon, and we went back and reread the letter many times. But we read it as an attempt to say this would be the consequences of o deal, and that the British wanted a deal. That was the significance of the letter for us – the extent to which the British wanted a deal. It is noticeable how different the British and continental press have looked at this. The predominant tone in our newspapers is one of sadness.”

One experienced ambassador bemoaned the way in which the UK sees the whole negotiation as a poker game rather than as a shared enterprise. He added that his worry had been the extent to which May had focused on her backbenchers, and not on Europe. “The article 50 letter was her last chance to bring expectations and rhetoric in UK in line with expectations and rhetoric in Europe,” he said.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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One experienced ambassador bemoaned the way in which the UK sees the whole negotiation as a poker game rather than as a shared enterprise

That's a line ranked in suppositions. There simply is no "whole of UK" in this conundrum. It's not so much a case of upping the ante, as it is folding when the time is right.

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@Builder,

As you quoted correctly from my link, one ambassador bemoaned the way in which the UK sees the whole negotiation as a poker game - I agree that there is no "whole of UK" mentioned in the quote..

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@Walter Hinteler,

But do you believe that brexit is the future for all of the UK?

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@Builder,

No.

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@Walter Hinteler,

When Britain leaves the EU what should the government look to bring back?

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Voting to leave the EU was a desire to head back to a nostalgic, rose-tinted vision of 1950s and 1960s Britain?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Hopefully not too many people were asked.
I agree on the passports. The rest belongs in the past.
I want the old black and gold back instead of the ugly EU passport.
Inside the EU Swedish is interesting with pictures of different cities.
Luckily I bought a leather cover which looks just like the old passport.

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@saab,

saab wrote:

Hopefully not too many people were asked.

The poll quizzed 2,060 adults on 21 and 22 February.

I want my old ID-card back, and not this small piece of machine-readable card. (Besides when travelling to the USA and the GDR, I never have used a passport.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

We do not have ID cards in that sence. One could use the driver´s licence if...
I always have to carry a passport when travelling abroad.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Nah... The only lesson of history is that the big powers swallow or marginalize the small powers.

For a relatively short while that works. It didn't last for Rome, The Habsburgs, Spain, Napoleon, Hitler,the British, French Russian Tsarist and Soviet empires. For most the rule is, 'soon after they stop expanding they start falling apart'. Interestingly it was the Portuguese Empire that won the prize for longevity - mostly through a prolonged senescence.

The EU appears to be at the tipping point.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Was that poll an April's fool joke? Well done.

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@georgeob1,

I agree that if the EU wants to last it has to change. I just don't agree slamming the door is the way to get there.

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@georgeob1,

Someone figured out that the average of lasting of unions of different kinds has been 30 years.
I do not know if the figure is correct.

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@saab,

Yeah...1 generation makes it and the next fracks it. But this is different.
In the case I am fully convinced if the EU falls you going to see Lazarus later on. Deep down in the Ocean the cultural homogenization will pull it together again by the pants.

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