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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 02:15 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
(Danish is an official minority language in Schleswig-Holstein, the two Sorbian languages in regions of Brandenburg and Saxony = everything official has to be translated there.)
Correction:
1. Frisian is an official minority language as well in Schleswig-Holstein.
2. In every state/district/municipality administration must (should be in smaller ones) someone in charge of translating the laws and documents into these languages if they haven't bee translated (and published) officially before.

[The Roma and Sinti languages have the same status as Danish and Frisian in Schleswig-Holstein. But there seems to be some trouble re translations (as of 2015).]
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saab
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 05:51 am
There is no other way to handle it but have it in 28 languages and the more countries coming in the more languages.
And this constant every month moving back and forth between Brussels and Strasbourg. 751 parlimentarians and 5000 commissioners and 20 tons of paper and 15 truck going back and forth spitting out 19 000 tons of carbon dioxide.
And the rest of us has to use some new bulbs.
Olivier5
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 05:59 am
@saab,
I could not agree more. The main problem with the Brexit is we can't chose English as the Eurolinguo.

The other thing is we gona have to blow away the Eurotunnel... ;-)

Other than that, the UK should never have joined the EU (EEC back then?) in the first place. They don't belong here.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 06:06 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
I could not agree more. The main problem with the Brexit is we can't chose English as the Eurolinguo.
Indeed. We will loose this possibility. And that will please Denmark since a couple of Danish MPs have called for a tax on English words used in advertisements in order to protect the language.

About bulbs and other energy saving stuff - see my link above.
But I agree: everyone should have the right to pay more for his/her energy bill.

And Eurotunnel: I always use the ferry when getting across La Manche with a car. Besides that the Groupe Eurotunnel is a French Societas Europaea ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 06:25 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
And this constant every month moving back and forth between Brussels and Strasbourg. 751 parlimentarians and 5000 commissioners and 20 tons of paper and 15 truck going back and forth spitting out 19 000 tons of carbon dioxide.
It's the EU-Parliament - the Treaty of Amsterdam requires that 12 plenary sessions be held in Strasbourg (none in August but two in September), which is the Parliament's official seat, while extra part sessions as well as committee meetings are held in Brussels. Luxembourg hosts the Secretariat of the European Parliament.

In the EU, there are 28 commissioners, including the President and Vice-Presidents. The seat of the Commission is Brussels.
If you were joking here about the number of commissioners: the Swedish Government consists of a prime minister and 23 ministers. (The German Government has 16 ministers, including the Chancellor and the head of the Chancellery [as minister for special tasks].)
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saab
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 06:32 am
Taxes on foreign words in advertise in Denmark is something that came up a year ago and is out of the news by now.
Germany took out foreign words long ago from the German language and are now using a lot of English and many people are against it.
Personally I do not like when a foreign word is used wrong.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 06:42 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
Germany took out foreign words long ago from the German language ....
We don't have an institution to take out foreign words in German or add them.
About 5 to 10% of all known German words are really 'foreign'.
There are thousands more, you don't notice that this huge amount of "German" words is actually foreign, from Latin over Italian, French, Dutch to English.
Olivier5
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 07:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Indeed. We will loose this possibility.

Oh well... We'll just have to use French instead.
saab
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 08:39 am
@Walter Hinteler,
How was it the 30ies? Were not the Germans supposed to use only German words ?
saab
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 08:40 am
@Olivier5,
How about Esparanto?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 09:35 am
@saab,
a) your response didn't indicate that it was related to a certain period,
b) we don't live in the 30's,
c) the first German associations to promote a "pure German language" was established in 1617,
d) the main period for promoting a "pure German language" (Deutscher Sprachpurismus) was in the 17th and 18th century,
e) during the Nazi-period (the 30s) this was ended because the Nazi-leaders feared it would prove a backward Germany,
f) during allthe centuries there had never been a central organisation regulating the use of words in German.
saab
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 10:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Denmark does not have a central organisation to regulate the use of words in Denmark.At least I have never heard about it.
Just because ONE person had the idea with taxing words does not mean the rest of the Danes are the same.

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Olivier5
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 10:33 am
@saab,
Ugly, artificial, spoken by next to nobody...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 10:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
saab wrote:
Germany took out foreign words long ago from the German language

saab wrote:

How was it the 30ies? Were not the Germans supposed to use only German words ?

Walter Hinteler wrote:
e) during the Nazi-period (the 30s) this was ended because the Nazi-leaders feared it would prove a backward Germany,

Victor Klemperer, Professor of Literature at the Dresden University of Technology. The title, half in Latin and half in German, LTI – Lingua Tertii Imperii: Notizbuch eines Philologen, translates to "The Language of the Third Reich: A Philologist's Notebook"; the book is published in English translation as The Language of the Third Reich.
On page 18 (German edition) he wrote that "the Third Reich loved to use now and then sonorous sounding foreign words".

Between 1923 and 1941 (12th edition) the number of English words in the "Duden" from some dozens to nearly 3% of all noted words.

Hitler opposed the elimination of foreign words in "Mein Kampf" (vol. 1, page 395).
In 1937, Goebbels used sharp words in a public speech against all who wanted "to purify" the German language.
All attempts to purify the German language finally ended with Hitler's decree from November 19, 1940 (decree of the Reich Ministry of Science, Education and Culture, published in: Deutsche Wissenschaft, Erziehung und Volksbildung, Official Journal 6 [1940], page 534.)

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saab
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 10:52 am
@Olivier5,
Esperanto would be fair.
Everybody only had to learn one foreign language.
What a nightmare
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Lordyaswas
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 04:21 pm
Telegraph:

Business
Devastating MORI poll shows Europe's peoples share British rage over EU




"When David Cameron first announced the UK’s referendum on Europe in 2013, the reaction from EU capitals was disdain. Brexit would be a disastrous error for Britain – perhaps suicidal – but Europe would brush off the effects.

As I reported at the time, Spain's foreign minister José Manuel Garcia-Margallo told us that Brexit would lead to "terrible devastation" of our industries, leaving nothing left but "a few petty bankers" in xenophobic isolation.

"David Cameron must understand he cannot slow the speed of the EU cruiser," came the finger-waving admonition from Madrid.


The penny has since begun to drop that Brexit fall-out might be very serious for them as well.

Yet even as recently as this February the prevailing view was still that the referendum saga was largely a British affair, to do with the idiosyncrasies of an island people, or some such peculiarly British pathology, or to do with the post-imperial hang-ups of the English – an irritating canard that inverts the truth, since those Britons with an imperial reflex often rediscover their natural home in the EU power structures.

This was still the view of the policy elites even after the Schengen fire had been raging for months. There was a strange reluctance to accept what has been obvious for a long time, that comparable feelings of irritation with Brussels have been welling in France, Italy, Holland, Scandinavia, and Germany itself.

They still could not see that the EU had over-reached disastrously, or that it had breached the historical contract with Europe’s nation states, or that broader contagion was a mounting threat to their own interests.

Above all, there was a refusal to acknowledge that great numbers of people across Europe have views all too like the British, and also think the EU Project is out of control.

The Justice Secretary Michael Gove may have gone too far last month in proclaiming a European Spring, or a “democratic liberation” of the Continent, but he was surely right to discern the rumblings of revolt, for that is exactly what the latest Ipsos MORI poll reveals.

The survey is astonishing, even for those of us who have for years been following the disastrous misgovernment of the eurozone, a self-induced slump that ultimately lasted longer than the European leg of the Great Depression.

It shows that 60pc of Italians want a referendum of their own, and that 48pc would now vote to leave the EU. If you had suggested ten years ago that such a set of views might ever be possible in Italy – I know, because I tried – you would have been laughed into silence.


Everybody agreed – did they not? – that Italians were happy to delegate their government to the mandarins in Brussels because they do not trust their own corrupt and dysfunctional elites.

As a long-time devotee of the 19th century Italian poet Giacomo Leopardi, I never fell for the argument that there is no such thing as an Italian nation, no collective sense of patriotic feeling.

There most certainly is such a nation, and it is in a state of risorgimento right now. I will be writing over coming days about the traumatic effects of monetary union for Italy: suffice to say that Rome will determine the fate of the euro.


The MORI poll shows that 58pc of the French also want their own referendum, and 41pc say they would vote to leave. Swexit sentiment in Sweden is running at 39pc.

But what most surprised me is that half of those surveyed in countries making up 80pc of the EU population think that Brexit would set off a domino effect, and that it would do more damage to the European Union than to Britain itself.

Specifically, 51pc said Brexit would have a negative impact on the EU economy, compared to just 36pc who thought it would be bad for Britain’s economy. This really is an upset.


It suggests that very large numbers of people on the Continent have reached their own damning verdict on EU pieties and on the EMU construct, perhaps because they know that their own youth have been flocking to London to work, as if were a new Manhattan.

A majority in Italy, Poland, the US, India, and South Africa actually thought the British economy would fare better once it broke free from the EU. This too is a shocker.

The MORI poll is a cannon shot across the bows of Brussels and the EU nomenklatura in a string of countries. They are not up against a truculent Britain, as they suppose: they are up against their own record and their own peoples.

Link go article, and MORI graphs.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/10/devastating-mori-poll-shows-europes-peoples-share-british-rage-o/
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 09:50 pm
@Lordyaswas,
It's not surprising that this poll is seen differently.
Here, in Germany, media were surprised that only 34% want to leave while the EU-average is 33% (the poll was published last week).
We had had times, when it was near 50% ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 12 May, 2016 10:45 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

We had had times, when it was near 50% ...
My bad: I looked at a wrong graph. It had always been around the same figures here in Germany (+~30%).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 13 May, 2016 10:08 am
I'm really wondering about the weeks/months/years after the Brexit.
While everything is regulated down to the smallest details about new EU-members, there's no blueprint about how to leave.
(The only countries who ever left were Algeria, when it became independent in 1962. And Greenland, part of the Danish Realm. [Thus, Greenland still remains subject to the EU treaties through association of Overseas Countries and Territories with the EU.]

Will the British commissioner still be a member of the EU-Commission?
British EU-civil servants still work?
And British MEPs still sit in the EU-Parliament?
saab
 
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Fri 13 May, 2016 10:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Algeria became independent from France 1962 and EU came into force on 1 November 1993, so Algeria never was a member of EU
Greenland originally joined the then-European Communities with Denmark in 1973. However, it left following a referendum in 1985, with 53% voting for withdrawal after a dispute over fishing rights.
So Greenland never was a member of EU either.
As far as I have heard from people involved for staying in EU it will take about
10 years to settle all the regulations - if that is even enough.
Why should Britain pay for a whole bunch of people in Brussels getting high salaries....
 

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