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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Tue 4 Oct, 2016 02:46 am
@saab,
Flags being shown in our parliament are regulated by the parliament's administration.
I don't think that this has any influence on the Brexit discussion or how people here see the EU - but we have the German and the EU flag there (we adopted the Lisbon Treaty).
saab
 
  1  
Tue 4 Oct, 2016 02:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Where in the Lisbon Treaty doesit say a country has to have the EU flag in its parliament?
Quote:
we have the German and the EU flag there (we adopted the Lisbon Treaty).

Ok so you are right, nothing to discuss - end. Paragraphs are important - feelings are unimportant.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 4 Oct, 2016 03:16 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
Where in the Lisbon Treaty doesit say a country has to have the EU flag in its parliament?
I don't think that I wrote something like "the Lisbon treaty says a has to show the EU flag ..."

saab wrote:
Paragraphs are important - feelings are unimportant.
Exactly. [It is shown here in Germany (and 16 other EU-states as well) because it is " symbol to express the sense of community of the people in the European Union and their allegiance to it".]
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 4 Oct, 2016 03:30 am
Making today a round of broadcast interviews before her speech on Wednesday to the Conservative party conference in Birmingham, PM May offered no new clues as to the details or overall aims of the government’s Brexit strategy.
However, the pound sunk to a new 31-year low amid business concerns about a “hard Brexit”.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Tue 4 Oct, 2016 04:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
An increasingly anxious Irish government is to apply to the EU for special status to prevent a hard border being re-established if the UK leaves the EU customs union, and insists on controlling the flow of European migrants.

Government to seek special status for North after Brexit
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The Government will seek a “legal recognition of the unique status of the North and the circumstances on the island” as part of the arrangements when Britain leaves the European Union.

Speaking to The Irish Times yesterday, Minister for Foreign Affairs Charlie Flanagan gave the clearest signal yet that the Government is seeking a special status for Northern Ireland as a solution to the threat of a hard border on the island.

Today the Government will decide to set up an “All-Island Civic Dialogue”, to be held in Dublin on November 2nd, which will involve political parties, civic organisations, trade unions, business groups and non-governmental organisations from North and South.

Taoiseach Enda Kenny will bring a memorandum to Cabinet today on Brexit issues in which he will outline the proposal to Ministers.

Government sources say that preparations for Brexit are accelerating in the wake of the announcement by British prime minister Theresa May that she will formally begin the process of leaving the union by invoking article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty before the end of next March.
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saab
 
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Tue 4 Oct, 2016 06:35 am
It is not what you said, but how you said it:
Quote:
we have the German and the EU flag there (we adopted the Lisbon Treaty).

It sounds as if one adopt the Lisbon Treaty one has to have the EU flag.
Quote:
the pound sunk to a new 31-year low

against the dollar and a 3 year low against the euro.
Quote:
It is shown here in Germany (and 16 other EU-states as well)

that feelings are important.
Dresden sure did show a lot negative feelings yesterday the 3rd.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 4 Oct, 2016 06:37 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
Dresden sure did show a lot negative feelings yesterday the 3rd.
We live in a democracy ... and have to stand anti-democratic, racist demonstrations.
I'm glad that I'm not living under the plebiscite or in the dictatorship those people want.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 4 Oct, 2016 03:34 pm
@saab,
1 British Pound equals
1.27 US Dollar

I remember when it was 1 pound = $1.50 or more.



Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 5 Oct, 2016 01:11 pm
Since Farage is now back again as leader of UKIP (he quit 18 days ago, that was a longer period than his previous resignations), might well be that things will change again.

A different report:
Quote:

Angela Merkel has significantly stiffened her rhetoric on Brexit, telling an audience of German business leaders that any exception to the EU’s single market rules would represent “a systemic challenge for the entire European Union”.

The German chancellor’s remarks reflect an apparent toughening of positions in European capitals after Theresa May announced on Sunday that the UK would begin formal divorce talks by the end of March and indicated it was heading for a “hard Brexit”.
[...]
If any one country was allowed an exception, she said, “you can imagine how all countries will put put conditions on free movement with other countries. And that would create an extremely difficult situation.”

The applause for Merkel’s comments put a further question mark over the argument of British pro-Brexit politicians that German businesses will inevitably pressure their government to preserve their trade links with the UK and resist tariffs.

Markus Kerber, the leader of Germany’s largest industry group, said last week that trade, investments and single market solidarity with the rest of the EU were more important than the volume of business German companies do with Britain.

Joseph Muscat, the prime minister of Malta, which will hold the EU’s rotating presidency when Britain triggers article 50 of the Lisbon treaty to launch the two-year exit process, told the Guardian that May had made it plain “controlling immigration will be her number one priority”.

That made her subsequent statement that she also wanted British business to have the maximum opportunity to operate within the single market “problematic, to say the least,” he said.

The four freedoms – free movement of goods, capital, services, and people – could not be decoupled, Muscat said. “That cannot be negotiated … These principles are the basis for everything the EU does.”

Brexit was “not just an accounting exercise” for the EU 27, he said, adding that Britain’s deal had to be be “fair, but it has to be inferior. The idea that Britain can come back with a superior deal, or even the same deal, is not acceptable.
... ... ...
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 5 Oct, 2016 02:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Irish passport applications from Britons double after BrexitOver 21,000 people have applied since July


And it is perhaps a kind of irony:
the Tory Party conference at which Theresa May has promised to "take Britain out of the European Union" was being held in a venue paid for by the EU: the Birmingham International Convention Centre was built in 1991, receiving £49.7 million in funds from the European Council towards its construction, with the foundation stone was laid down by the then European Commission president, Jacques Delors.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 5 Oct, 2016 10:06 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Gibraltar rebuffs Spanish proposal for joint sovereignty to save EU status
Quote:
[...]
Gibraltar’s economy, which is based on the financial services sector, tourism and online gaming, depends in large part on its access to the EU’s single market.

“Spain has formally invited the United Kingdom to open negotiations to reach an agreement so that the mandates of European Union treaties keep being applied in Gibraltar,” Spain’s UN ambassador Roman Oyarzun told a committee on Tuesday, according to a copy of his speech.

He proposed joint sovereignty “which would allow Gibraltar to remain in the EU”.

Under the proposal Gibraltarians would be able to keep their British nationality and would also be able to gain Spanish citizenship.
[...]
In the committee meeting Gibraltar’s chief minister, Fabian Picardo, rejected the proposal outright, pointing to past rows with Spain affecting the crucial land border, which many Spaniards cross every day to work in the British territory.
[...]
Peter Wilson, the UK’s deputy permanent representative at the UN, said Britain would not enter any negotiations with which Gibraltar was not content.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 6 Oct, 2016 03:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
HSBC has knocked up a handy chart showing some of the possible relationships Britain could have with the EU (and what it is giving up):

http://i63.tinypic.com/vo77zn.jpg
(source: HSBC via businessinsider)
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contrex
 
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Thu 6 Oct, 2016 03:27 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

1 British Pound equals
1.27 US Dollar

I remember when it was 1 pound = $1.50 or more.

I remember when £1 equalled $2.80
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 05:37 am
@contrex,
When I first came to Britain (1963), I got £ 8.96 for 100 DM. In 1970, it was £ 11.52. And today, it would be £ 44.02.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 6 Oct, 2016 03:55 pm
@contrex,
Do you remember what years that was? I used to visit the UK often during my travel days, because London was one of my favorite cities to visit with their world class museums and theater. Ever been to Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese on Fleet Street? We had a a2k meet there once.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 6 Oct, 2016 03:57 pm
@contrex,
Do you remember what years that was? I used to visit the UK often during my travel days, because London was one of my favorite cities to visit with their world class museums and theater. Ever been to Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese on Fleet Street? We had a a2k meet there once.

Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese
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272 Google reviews
Pub
Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese is a Grade II listed public house at 145 Fleet Street, on Wine Office Court, City of London, EC4A 2BU. It is on the Campaign for Real Ale's National Inventory of Historic Pub Interiors. Wikipedia

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Definition: Grade II
For buildings, Grade II (two) indicates that buildings are “of special interest, warranting every effort to preserve them.”
Principles of Selection, DCMS, 2010
For registered parks and gardens, Grade II (two) indicates that the site is of "special interest, warranting every effort to preserve [it]".
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contrex
 
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Fri 7 Oct, 2016 12:51 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Do you remember what years that was? I used to visit the UK often during my travel days, because London was one of my favorite cities to visit with their world class museums and theater. Ever been to Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese on Fleet Street? We had a a2k meet there once.
The pound to dollar rate was £1 = $2.80 from around 1950 to 1967 when Harold Wilson's government devalued to $2.15. Been past the Cheese plenty of times, inside never. The pound declined from around $4.87 in 1900 to $1.60 in 1999.
saab
 
  1  
Fri 7 Oct, 2016 01:36 am
@contrex,
For fun:
I have an old Pears´cyclopaedia from 1914
1 Sovereign = dollars 4.84
German money 20 Mks
French, Belgian, Swiss, Italian and Greek Value Frs 25 and 15 cents
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contrex
 
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Fri 7 Oct, 2016 05:00 am
One possible effect of Brexit induced currency turmoil could be pound-dollar parity ($1 = £1) quite soon. Well done guys.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 7 Oct, 2016 07:24 am
@contrex,
The Foreign Office has told the London School of Economics to remove non-Uk Nationals [but who are EU-citizens] from projects amid security concerns over access to sensitive trade information.
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http://i66.tinypic.com/10s7i8i.jpg

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