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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 7 Oct, 2016 07:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Related report by The Guardian: Government bars foreign academics from advising on Brexit
Quote:
[...]
It is understood a number of LSE academics specialising in EU affairs have been briefing the foreign office on Brexit issues, but the school has received an email informing it that submissions from non-UK citizens would no longer be accepted.

One of the group, who subsequently received notes from their departments telling them of the instruction, is understood to be a dual national, with citizenship of both the UK and another EU member state.

The Foreign Office was said to be concerned about the risk of sensitive material being exposed as article 50 negotiations over Britain’s exit from the EU, and subsequent talks on its future trade and other relations with the bloc, get under way.

But Steve Peers, a professor of EU law at the University of Essex who has advised the government on EU legal questions, said it should be “perfectly possible to get useful input from some of the best-qualified people in the country” without anything sensitive being revealed. “I don’t really get the security or sensitivity argument,” he said. “Whatever the reasons, this will come across as hostile, narrow and xenophobic.”
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contrex
 
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Fri 7 Oct, 2016 02:45 pm
It'll be yellow stars next... then Kristallnacht... It's like a nightmare.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 7 Oct, 2016 04:55 pm
@contrex,
What is Kristallnacht:
http://www.ibtimes.com/what-kristallnacht-about-nazi-germanys-deadly-attacks-jews-1938-2173881
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 7 Oct, 2016 10:53 pm
@contrex,
contrex wrote:
It'll be yellow stars next...
That has been mentioned in several commentaries.
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contrex
 
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Sat 8 Oct, 2016 02:23 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
What is Kristallnacht:
Does that need explaining these days?
saab
 
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Sat 8 Oct, 2016 03:01 am
@contrex,
Wouldn´t suprise me one bit if it needs explaining.
Since the end of WWII there has been a lot of discriminating, despicing, anti this and that, terror or just plain nastiness in words.
People have forgotten or not even noticed.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 8 Oct, 2016 05:40 am
@saab,
I don't think that the Novemberpogrome (unfortunately still often named with the word "Kristallnacht" ... shards bring luck)*, with hundreds of Jews killed that day, can be compared to a lot of discriminating, despicing, anti this and that, terror or just plain nastiness in words.

* "Polterabend":
a German tradition:the night before the wedding their friends and neighbors break porcelain dishes and glass in front of the bride's house to bring luck to the couple. Then the couple has to clean up the mess together.
contrex
 
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Sat 8 Oct, 2016 06:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I don't think that the Novemberpogrome [...] can be compared to a lot of discriminating, despicing, anti this and that, terror or just plain nastiness in words.

Absolutely.

Incidentally, after a whole term of exposure to a history curriculum which covered Europe 1920-1950, my son asked me whether Adolf Hitler ever met Queen Victoria.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 8 Oct, 2016 06:28 am
Quote:
All EU migrants living in the UK will be allowed to stay following Brexit after an amnesty for those who have not already received permanent residency rights, it has been reported.

More than 80 per cent of the 3.6 million EU citizens who currently live in the UK will already have the right to remain by the time Britain leaves the European Union, according to official research.

The Home Office has learned that five in six EU migrants could not be legally deported and those who can will be offered an amnesty and be offered the opportunity to stay, the Telegraph has reported.

Current rules state that you receive permanent residency rights once you have lived in the UK for more than five years, which almost 2.9 million would have done by 2019 – the year Britain is set to leave the EU.
The link to the Telegraph article is that above Independent report
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contrex
 
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Sat 8 Oct, 2016 06:35 am
@contrex,
contrex wrote:
my son asked me whether Adolf Hitler ever met Queen Victoria.
He meant after Adi became Führer und Reichskanzler.
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saab
 
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Sat 8 Oct, 2016 07:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
NO I certainly do not think so either- and I really did not want to compare those things.
I wanted to point out that there still is need for expalining what the Kristallnacht was
And I wanted to point out that there has been a damn lot of nasty things going on since then.
People are still discriminating
A lot of it has just been brushed a side as "it is just stupid people" doing it.
It has been ignored also by politicians.
I have the feeling that you on purpose misunderstand thing.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 8 Oct, 2016 10:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
LSE vows to ignore Government's 'ban on foreign academics advising on Brexit'
Quote:
The Foreign Office continues to deny telling London School of Economics academics they cannot give advice on 'sensitive trade relations'
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LSE interim director Professor Julia Black said in an internal school update memo that the world-renowned university had chosen to ignore the ban and stand by its academic principles of independence.

She said: “You may have seen reports in the media that the Foreign Office have advised us that they will be issuing tenders to contract for advisory work, but that only UK nationals will be eligible to apply.

”Whilst the Foreign Office has long had a rule restricting the nationality of employees or secondees, the extension of the bar to advisory work seems to be new.

“However, it is for the Foreign Office to determine what its national security arrangements are, and their legality, not for us.
[...]
A spokesman for the Foreign Office disputed the claim, insisting nothing had changed since the pro-Brexit referendum result. ... ...
”It has always been the case that anyone working in the FCO may require security clearance depending on the nature and duration of their work.

“Britain is an outward-looking nation and we will continue to take advice from the best and brightest minds, regardless of nationality.”

Dr Hagemann later tweeted: “I stand by fact there is new tone in UKgovt business& I had specific rejection re advisory work as not UK citizen

“But am proud to be part of outstanding experts [at LSE] who value diversity, integrity in addition to professional expertise.”
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 11 Oct, 2016 08:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Norway rejects Liam Fox request for free trade deal taskforce
Quote:
Country understood to believe bilateral talks could jeopardise EEA agreement and are ‘inappropriate’ before Britain exits EU

Norway has turned down a request from Britain to set up a formal joint taskforce aimed at preparing a post-Brexit free trade deal between the two countries, Norwegian media have reported.

The business daily Dagens Næringsliv said the international trade minister, Liam Fox, asked Norway’s trade and industry minster, Monica Mæland, to form a bilateral trade working group at a meeting between the two ministers and their officials on 14 September.
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saab
 
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Tue 11 Oct, 2016 12:03 pm
DN
Dagens Näringsliv corrects
DN wrote monday that Norway said no to a British-Norwegian group to prepare a new trade deal .
According to Närings - og fiskeridepartementet is this not correct.

http://www.dn.no/nyheter/politikkSamfunn/2016/10/11/1928/Monica-Maeland/vil-apne-doren-korrekt-for-britene

DN retter

DN skrev på forsiden mandag 10. oktober at Storbritannias handelsminister Liam Fox ønsket en britisk-norsk arbeidsgruppe for å forberede en ny handelsavtale med EU. Det riktige er at britene ønsket en arbeidsgruppe som kunne se på konsekvenser for næringsliv og sikre god kommunikasjon mellom Norge og Storbritannia. Dette kom frem under et møte mellom Fox og næringsminister Monica Mæland i september. DN skrev mandag at Norge sa nei til en slik arbeidsgruppe. Ifølge Nærings- og fiskeridepartementet er ikke dette riktig, og den videre oppfølgingen av møtet er ikke behandlet ennå. DNs opprinnelige sak er nå avpublisert.











Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 11 Oct, 2016 12:11 pm
@saab,
I don't speak Norwegian, and the above quoted source said "Norwegian media have reported" (as did news agencies).
(The Guardian later reported: Norway denies rejecting Liam Fox request for trade deal taskforce, but unfortunately, I didn't see it until now.)

Thanks for correcting!
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 06:39 am
May Backs Down on Parliament Vote Over Her Brexit Terms

Prime Minister Theresa May has accepted that Parliament should be allowed to vote on her plan for taking Britain out of the European Union, but asked lawmakers to do it in a way that gives her space to negotiate.

The decision seemed to calm investors after they dumped the pound on concern May was taking a gung-ho approach to the negotiations. The currency took a beating after May signaled her intention to put immigration curbs before the City of London’s interests in pulling Britain out of the European Union.

Parliament will debate on Wednesday a motion from the opposition Labour Party calling for a “full and transparent debate on the government’s plan for leaving the EU” and for Parliament to be able to “properly scrutinize that plan” before she begins formal talks. The request is supported by some lawmakers from May’s own Conservative Party.

In response, May late on Tuesday tabled an amendment that effectively accepted the motion, adding that there shouldn’t be an attempt to block Brexit or “undermine the negotiating position of the government.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-11/may-backs-down-on-parliament-vote-over-her-brexit-terms


She blinked.

RW hardline Brexiters were already tiring of her before this:

May's Five U-Turns in Three Months

Theresa May has not yet been Prime Minister for three months and she has already u-turned on five significant policy issues:

* EU citizens’ right to remain: During her leadership campaign May refused to guarantee the status of EU nationals living in the UK, now the government says they are “100% sure” they’ll be allowed to stay.

* Hinkley Point: May announced a welcome pause on the new power plant, before approving the same deal proposed by Osborne.

* Northern Powerhouse: Reports suggested May had decided to ditch Osborne’s pet project, she’s now said she’s fully behind it.

* Foreign doctors: Jeremy Hunt suggested foreign doctors wouldn’t be able to stay in the country if they could be replaced by British recruits. May then failed three times in an interview to say the policy would go ahead.

* Foreign staff lists: Amber Rudd’s plan to force companies to publish how many foreign staff they employ has now been abandoned.

http://order-order.com/2016/10/10/theresa-mays-u-turns/
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 07:03 am
What is Boris Johnson up to now?
... Johnson’s task in the Commons debate, it should probably be conceded, was not as easy as he might have made it look. He had essentially to hold the government line against a barrage of highly emotive appeals for action – action that was rejected by MPs three years ago in a decision that arguably opened the way for the desperate situation in which eastern Aleppo finds itself today.

Essentially rejecting the proposal for a no-fly zone as too risky, given the Nato-Russia air clashes it could precipitate, he was left with the threat to take Russia to the international criminal court (ICC) for war crimes. That was a threat made earlier by US diplomats including the secretary of state, John Kerry, at the UN, and by the French President, François Hollande, in a move that led President Putin to cancel a planned visit to Paris.

Here again, though, the UK faces difficulties. The actual crime Johnson cited was the attack on the aid convoy that effectively ended the latest US/Russia-brokered ceasefire, and it is still not at all clear where the blame for this lies.

Talk of the ICC and war crimes also places the UK on somewhat insecure terrain. At a time when the prime minister has undertaken to exempt UK military personnel from the provisions of European convention on human rights as it applies to the battlefield, the foreign secretary’s threats suggested a government speaking with forked tongue, and a minister overcompensating with rhetoric for an inability, or unwillingness, to act.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/12/protest-russian-embassy-boris-johnson
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 12:16 pm
The Prime Minster had had her first defeat in Parliament today: in a 'U-turn' over pre-article 50 Brexit debate in parliament. Theresa May agreed that there will be a substantive parliamentary debate on No 10’s strategy before UK triggers article 50. (Quite a few Conservative MP's threatened to vote with Labour to demand greater public debate over the Brexit negotiating strategy.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 12:58 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Pound drops further after Davis hints UK could leave single market
Quote:
A brief rally in the pound was quickly reversed on Wednesday after the government refused to make tariff-free access to the European Union’s single market a red line in Brexit negotiations with Brussels.

Investors sold the pound after Brexit minister David Davis told MPs it was “not black or white” whether the UK would stay in the single market.

Sterling fell two cents to $1.21 on the currency markets in afternoon trading, reversing a jump to $1.23 overnight that followed Theresa May’s concession for parliament to hold a debate on the government’s stance on talks with the EU. ... ... ...

The pound has tumbled since last week when in her party conference speech May appeared to put taking control over immigration above retaining access to the single market on the current tariff-free terms.

According to Bank of England figures, which compare the pound to a basket of major currencies, the UK’s currency has fallen to its lowest level since the 1970s, when records began.

The figures show that the value of sterling has fallen to below the levels seen in the aftermath of the 2008 banking crisis and the slump in the pound in 1992 that followed “Black Wednesday” and the UK’s exit from the European Union exchange rate mechanism.

Business leaders warned that without a rapid recovery in the pound’s value, the cost of imported goods in the shops would begin to rise, hitting household disposable incomes.
... ... ...
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 02:28 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Here's a graph on the US dollar vs British pound.
http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=GBP&to=USD&amount=1
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