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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 23 Sep, 2016 02:45 am
@contrex,
It's really surprising that a minister from Boris' own department says it now loud.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 23 Sep, 2016 10:43 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Foreign minister has been offered EU Lisbon Treaty tuition in English by Germany's finance minister. Wolfgang Schäuble derided the Brexit advocate for denying linkage between the single market and free movement. [Schäuble is "known for his 'English'.]

Foreign Secretary Johnson had suggested that once Britain left the EU it would still have free access to the single market.

Article 3 of the Lisbon Treaty says the Union shall provide free moment "without internal frontiers" while also establishing an internal market, without discrimination, but with respect for cultural diversity.
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And another point, which hasn't got a got attendance so far:
Northern Irish legal challenge to referendum to involve Attorney General: all the implications of leaving the EU specific to Northern Ireland will be examined by a judge at a preliminary hearing at the High Court in Belfast.
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saab
 
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Sat 24 Sep, 2016 01:17 am
Martin Schulz said: "Direct democracy is a threat to the project." (he means EU) in a speach in London
People will refer to this as "Democracy is a threat to EU", which many already feel.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/713714/Brexit-EU-Parliament-Martin-Schulz-veto-deal-Britain-speech-LSE-Theresa-May
Builder
 
  1  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 02:10 am
@saab,
Quote:
Martin Schulz said: "Direct democracy is a threat to the project."


The internet scares the pants off these control freaks. What could they possibly do for a living, when we realise we don't need their lying arses any more?
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 03:13 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
Martin Schulz said: "Direct democracy is a threat to the project." (he means EU) in a speach in London
People will refer to this as "Democracy is a threat to EU", which many already feel.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/713714/Brexit-EU-Parliament-Martin-Schulz-veto-deal-Britain-speech-LSE-Theresa-May
Really?
He did so? (Transscript of the speech)

Any idea why he is an "Eurocrat"? As the speaker of the House of Parliament a "Britoncrat"? The one of the Swedish parliament a "Rigsdagocrat"?



[As an aside: more than 50 years ago, my guest parents in England in didn't want that I read the Express/Sunday Express ... because of the anti-German and anti-Continental articles in these papers. They haven't changed.]
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 03:14 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
What could they possibly do for a living, when we realise we don't need their lying arses any more?
The latter can happen at the next election.
As for Schulz' living: he made an apprenticeship as a bookseller, worked in several bookshops and printing offices before opening his own bookshop.
I suppose, he will go back to it - or retire (he's got the age).
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saab
 
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Sat 24 Sep, 2016 03:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
If he did not say so - the newspaper has been manipulating his speach.
Or maybe it is the transcript which has been manipulated.

I have never heard the word Rigsdagsocrat.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 03:48 am
@saab,
Well, the Express is kind of official UKIP-newspaper.

But of course the transscript might have been manipulated and the audience as well.

saab wrote:
I have never heard the word Rigsdagsocrat.
Why, do you think, is the elected lawman of the EU-parliament, who then was elected by the others as speaker ("president") of that parliament called "Eurocrat"?
saab
 
  1  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 03:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
A Eurocrat is "a staff member of the administrative commission of the European Union
In Sweden I would say riksdagsledamot eller minister for someone in riksdagen
saab
 
  0  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 04:04 am
@saab,
Quote:
But of course the transscript might have been manipulated and the audience as well.

You are going too far - of course the audience was not manipulated and I did not say anything like that.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 04:32 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
Quote:
But of course the transscript might have been manipulated and the audience as well.

You are going too far - of course the audience was not manipulated and I did not say anything like that.
Nor did I.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 24 Sep, 2016 04:33 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
A Eurocrat is "a staff member of the administrative commission of the European Unionriksdagen
Okay. But Schulz is a MEP and president of the parliament.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 06:43 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
In Sweden I would say riksdagsledamot eller minister for someone in riksdagen
I'd thought that the equivalent for Schulz' position in the EU-parliament was riksdags talman in Sweden.
saab
 
  1  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 07:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Riksdags talman in Sweden: the commitment is absolutely unpolitical.
Something you certainly cannot say about the position of the MP in EU.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 07:28 am
@saab,
Thanks. (According to the Riksdag webside, it was the "speaker" of the Riksdag, which would be the equivalent position of the president of the EU-parliament.)
saab
 
  1  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 07:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
talman one can translate as speaker, which then is equivalent to the position of the president of the EU parliament.
Speaking to a talman in English you would say "Mr. President.....
Sweden has had talman or speakers since 1628.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 07:40 am
@saab,
Well, Schulz is according to Swedish newspapers (and the Swedish EU-parliament website) the Europaparlamentets talman .

saab
 
  1  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 07:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Why do you have to say well and kind of correct me when I have said the same as you say all the time.
You do not even trust me when I say talman is what Schulz is, but you have to search the internet to see if I know what I am talking about.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 08:26 am
@saab,
Sorry! I must have misunderstood you when you wrote that I certainly couldn't say it about his position (regarding "eurocrat"/speaker).
My bad.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sat 24 Sep, 2016 08:39 am
Interesting in my opinion: Anti-Brexit group challenges UK government over Article 50 disclosure

Some more background in the Guardian: Anti-Brexit group lodges legal challenge over article 50 procedure
 

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