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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 11 Aug, 2016 11:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Good map. Thanks for sharing it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 11 Aug, 2016 11:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Trade between the US and Ireland.
Bilateral Economic Relations

Economic and trade ties are an important facet of overall U.S.-Irish relations. The United States is Ireland’s top export destination; over 23 percent of all Irish goods exports go to the United States. The United States is also a major goods exporter to Ireland, ranking second only to the United Kingdom.
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ossobucotemp
 
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Thu 11 Aug, 2016 11:54 am
@cicerone imposter,
I know I would like them both. Have never been to Spain (isn't that a song lyric?) but have read a lot about it, off and on. A good friend used to go there to paint, wouldn't mind doing that myself.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 11 Aug, 2016 12:20 pm
@ossobucotemp,
I know you always long to go to Italy, but Spain has many attractions too! A visit to Spain is like visiting more than one country. The Moorish influence in the south is different from other parts of Spain.

The different cultures of Spain.
http://www.everyculture.com/Sa-Th/Spain.html
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 13 Aug, 2016 03:04 am
@cicerone imposter,
Brexit: Government guarantee for post-EU funds
Quote:
EU funding for farmers, scientists and other projects will be replaced by the Treasury after Brexit, Chancellor Philip Hammond has said.

In a move which could cost up to £4.5bn a year, the Treasury will guarantee to back EU-funded projects signed before this year's Autumn Statement.

Agricultural funding now provided by the EU will also continue until 2020.


Quote:
Hammond’s commitment comes after Liam Fox’s Department for International Trade was forced to delete a confusing statement posted on its website, which appeared to announce that the UK would continue to trade with the EU under World Trade Organisation rules post-Brexit “until any new trade deals are negotiated”.

Businesses have previously warned that trading under WTO rules would be disastrous, meaning the imposition of steep tariffs on goods exported to the EU, including 10% on cars and 12% on clothing.
Source
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 14 Aug, 2016 12:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Opinion in today's Observer:
Post-Brexit Britain’s position in the world: A vulnerable Britain faces fearsome predators such as China and Russia
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[...]Surely nobody is sensibly suggesting Britain, in a fit of panicky, post-Brexit international outreach, should try to bury its differences with the reckless, lawless regime in Moscow, notwithstanding last week’s embarrassing telephone calls to the Kremlin by May and Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary. Putin, after all, stands accused by an official British inquiry of direct complicity in the murder of Alexander Litvinenko, the former KGB agent poisoned with polonium in London. If Putin were an African leader, there would be calls for him to be investigated by now by the International Criminal Court for possible war crimes in Syria, Ukraine and Chechnya.

Yet the question nevertheless arises: how does Britain, no longer working in close concert with France, Germany and Poland, propose to manage the Russian problem? Will Moscow, like China sensing weakness and uncertainty, be tempted to pressure and bully May’s untested government, even as armed forces chiefs warn they are outgunned by the Russians? Will May try to win Putin round or will she confront him? Her first test comes next month at the G20 summit in China. One thing is already certain: the hapless Johnson is no match for Sergei Lavrov, his veteran counterpart. A Lavrov-Johnson summit would be like inviting a wolf to take tea with a tethered goat.

Brexit’s champions promised to forge a range of post-Brussels international relationships, thereby creating a more vibrant, prosperous Britain. China and Russia show just how perilous and problematic this project is. History suggests Britain can look to the US for succour and support. But with American confidence failing, and a weird Trumpian dystopia taking root, even that fall-back seems in jeopardy.
contrex
 
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Sun 14 Aug, 2016 01:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It is becoming painfully obvious that the whole Brexit thing was an idiotic mistake and is going to immerse Britain in shambolic chaos.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 14 Aug, 2016 02:46 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Ministers have warned that the UK could take longer to leave the EU than expected, even as May prepares to trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, which would begin the process.

The prime minister has been expected to begin the negotiations in early 2017. However, the Sunday Times reported that some within the government are suggesting May might wait until autumn of that year to start the two-year process, effectively pushing back the UK's departure from the EU until late 2019.

"They don't have the infrastructure for the people they need to hire. They say they don't even know the right questions to ask when they finally begin bargaining with Europe," one source in London told the newspaper.

Another source said Brexit negotiations were further complicated by the fact that Germany and France will be holding major elections next year.

France is slated to hold presidential election rounds in April and May, while Germany is due to hold its general election in the fall.

Meanwhile, the minister in charge of negotiations, David Davis, has reportedly hired only a fraction of the staff needed to fill a department devoted to carrying out the Brexit, which was created under May.
Source
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 14 Aug, 2016 10:50 am
@contrex,
I think it's going to cost them more than they even thought about.
contrex
 
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Sun 14 Aug, 2016 01:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The right and the practical thing for the government to do now is to avoid leaving the EU by any means possible, including kicking it up the road while a suitable 'fudge' can be created. Certain aspects of May's actions lead me to think she realises this. They are now saying it won't happen before 2019. My money is on it not happening afterwards either. May's declaration that "Brexit means Brexit" was a masterpiece of this sort of thing, given that she, probably more than anyone, realised that nobody knows what Brexit means.

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Builder
 
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Mon 15 Aug, 2016 08:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I think it's going to cost them more than they even thought about.


Whom is "they" ?
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Builder
 
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Mon 15 Aug, 2016 08:31 pm
@contrex,
Quote:
It is becoming painfully obvious that the whole Brexit thing was an idiotic mistake and is going to immerse Britain in shambolic chaos.


If it is, indeed, "painfully obvious", then please describe this chaos that you're imagining for us, if you can.
Builder
 
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Mon 15 Aug, 2016 09:08 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Brexit’s champions promised to forge a range of post-Brussels international relationships, thereby creating a more vibrant, prosperous Britain. China and Russia show just how perilous and problematic this project is. History suggests Britain can look to the US for succour and support. But with American confidence failing, and a weird Trumpian dystopia taking root, even that fall-back seems in jeopardy.


Too funny to pass this one.

Firstly, didn't British people vote for Brexit?

Secondly, how do China and Russia "show how perilous and problematic this project is. ??

Thirdly, Britain and the US are thick as thieves; The LIBOR scandal will show that, if anyone's interested in looking. But looking to the US for "succour"?? Really? Both nations are on fiat economies. Print some more money. The US fed res did the trick after they brought down Lemans and co.

Crazy how you people let the media tell you what to think.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 15 Aug, 2016 10:38 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
Crazy how you people let the media tell you what to think.
I live in a (rather) free society. I'm very glad that we have a free press. I'm happy that this press is able to publish opinions and comments.

I honestly wouldn't like to live in a society where the papers aren't allowed to publish opinions and comments.

Why do you think that to be crazy?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 16 Aug, 2016 11:44 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Brexit trade deals: the gruelling challenge of taking back control
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Britain’s complex task of rebuilding trade links will be overseen by a depleted civil service during economic uncertainty

Brexit means Brexit is the slogan of Theresa May’s new government, but more than a month after the seismic decision to leave the EU, no one knows what Brexit means. Only one thing is sure - unpicking Britain’s membership will be a monumental task requiring years of arduous and painstaking negotiations.

“I just can’t imagine a more complicated and more difficult issue to take forward,” said Andrew Hood, a senior director at the Dechert law firm and a former legal adviser to David Cameron. “People at the heart of government were sitting down a week after the Brexit decision with an entirely blank sheet of paper.”

The UK will have to negotiate no fewer than six deals to re-establish its place in the world after Brexit, according to Charles Grant of the Centre for European Reform thinktank. Negotiations will be far longer and more complicated than many British politicians realise, for reasons he set out in a recent paper.

One set of talks will cover Britain’s EU divorce, a second the free-trade agreement with the union and a third will be needed to work out interim measures while the talks are being thrashed out. Number four on Grant’s list is regaining full membership of the World Trade Organisation, five is replacing the trade deals the UK enjoys as an EU member and six will be to sort out the UK’s future ties with the EU on foreign, defence and security policy.
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contrex
 
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Wed 17 Aug, 2016 10:23 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Quote:
It is becoming painfully obvious that the whole Brexit thing was an idiotic mistake and is going to immerse Britain in shambolic chaos.


If it is, indeed, "painfully obvious", then please describe this chaos that you're imagining for us, if you can.

One euro costs more than one pound in some bureaux de change today.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 17 Aug, 2016 10:38 am
@contrex,
Currency exchange rates as a matter of fact varies even within the country from the artificially set rate by the government. That's because different currency exchange places charge different fees. One can see this phenomenon at the Mexico City airport where there are many currency exchange booths. It's really a task because even if they claim they charge no fees, their exchange rate differs from the rate set by the government. It's built into the exchange rate.
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Builder
 
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Thu 18 Aug, 2016 04:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
I honestly wouldn't like to live in a society where the papers aren't allowed to publish opinions and comments.

Why do you think that to be crazy?


You dodged the other question, Walter...

Here it is again for your perusal.

Secondly, how do China and Russia "show how perilous and problematic this project is. ??

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Builder
 
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Thu 18 Aug, 2016 04:10 am
@contrex,
Quote:
One euro costs more than one pound in some bureaux de change today.


I'm glad this means something to you.
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Blickers
 
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Thu 18 Aug, 2016 07:00 am
@contrex,
Quote contrex:
Quote:
One euro costs more than one pound in some bureaux de change today.

Maybe, but the official rate is what matters. The Euro is $1.132 and the Pound is $1.315. The Pound has stayed fairly level since its slight drop after the Brexit vote.
 

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