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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 12:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Lib Dems urge Boris Johnson to disclose whether No 10 sanctioned any 'intelligence gathering' on MPs
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Boris Johnson has been urged to disclose whether his government has sanctioned any surveillance or intelligence gathering on MPs involved in derailing his Brexit plans.

The extraordinary demand from the Liberal Democrats follows claims published in newspapers that the government had carried out investigations into senior MPs and alleged dealings with foreign governments.

Earlier this month, the prime minister made the claim that MPs behind legislation to avoid a no-deal Brexit on 31 October may have received "legal advice" from other governments - triggering a furious response.

In his regular column for The Independent, Chuka Umunna, the Liberal Democrats' foreign affairs spokesman, said he had written to Mr Johnson demanding clarity over whether any investigation exits or "whether this is an over-briefing from Dominic Cummings and friends."

"This has a strong whiff of the 1930s about it – it is a brazen attempt to suppress dissent and persecute political opponents in parliament by this right wing, nationalist government," Mr Umunna said.

He added in his letter to Mr Johnson: “In order to ensure parliament can scrutinise HM government’s foreign policy and hold ministers to account for their actions, it is vital for MPs from opposition parties to have dialogue with other governments. It informs our work for the British public, free from interference by HM government."

A briefing to The Mail on Sunday suggested that Downing Street had launched an investigation into alleged links between foreign governments and the MPs behind the Benn Act.

"Sources said No 10 took the unprecedented action after officials received intelligence that the MPs, including former cabinet minister Oliver Letwin, had received help drafting the bill from members of the French government and the EU," the newspaper claimed.

The prime minister was forced to honour the legislation, requesting an extension to the Brexit negotiating period from the EU, as MPs held back from ratifying Mr Johnson's deal during an extraordinary sitting of the House of Commons on Saturday.

In his letter, Mr Umunna also demands the prime minister rules out supporting a bid by backbench Tory MPs to introduce a new law aimed at punishing those who undermine government negotiations abroad.

He said: "I have also demanded he rule out introducing any law seeking to prevent parliamentarians from speaking to other governments – we cannot properly scrutinise government foreign policy if we are prevented from doing do so.

"If he fails to give these assurances, we can take it as a given that another term of a Tory government will be altogether more authoritarian than any government we have seen in a generation."

The Independent has contacted Downing Street for a response to Mr Umunna's letter.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 05:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
British emigration to continental Europe hits ten-year high as Brexit looms
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An increasing number of British people are leaving the UK to go and live in continental Europe ahead of Brexit, the latest figures show.

A study by academics at Oxford University and the Berlin Social Science Centre found that emigration from Britain to the EU is now at a ten-year high.

An estimated 84,000 UK citizens migrated to the EU in 2019, up from 58,000 the year before the Brexit vote in 2015, and 46,000 back in 2012.

The number of emigrants from the UK to the EU has risen continuously since 2010, and the spike has been exaggerated since the Brexit referendum of 2016.

There are now thought to be around 1.2 million British people living in Europe, the vast majority of whom are of working age.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 07:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg reports that the government will pull the Withdrawal Agreement bill if MPs don’t agree their proposed timetable later on this evening, and will try again for a general election.
Olivier5
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 07:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Let's give them another extension, I say, for about 15 years or so. I thust that should suffice for the good folks in Westminster to decide what the heck they want. And we can even offer them a 150 years extension, if 15 years aren't enough...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 08:27 am
@Olivier5,
The European Commission team in charge of negotiating the divorce deal for Britain's withdrawal from the EU will become the "Task Force for Relations with the United Kingdom" and is due to start work on Nov. 16, the Commission said today.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 10:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Irish Mirror is reporting that the Irish taoiseach Leo Varadkar is very keen to get Brexit done by 31 October because he has tickets to see Cher on 1 November.

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar 'wants Brexit done' by October 31 so he can go see Cher concert

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 11:06 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Let's give them another extension, I say, for about 15 years or so.
According to the EU’s chief negotiator, a 14-month transition is not long enough to reach new trade deal.
Barnier says Brexit transition talks likely to exceed 2020 deadline
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Speaking to the European parliament, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator appeared to concede the 14-month transition period would not allow time to reach agreement on a new trade and security arrangement. He said such talks could take “three years or more”.

The current transition period, during which the UK will stay in the single market and customs union but not be part of the EU’s decision-making bodies, finishes at the end of December 2020.

The withdrawal agreement allows for the transition period to be extended by “one to two years” but Boris Johnson has said he will not trigger such a prolongation.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 12:17 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
MPs have voted to allow the government’s withdrawal agreement bill to pass to the next stage of the parliamentary process.

They voted by 329 votes to 299; a majority of 30 on the second reading.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 12:34 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
And now, MPs have voted to reject the government’s timetable for the passage of the bill that would implement the prime minister’s Brexit deal.

They voted against by 322 to 308; a majority of 14.
Johnson said earlier today he would withdraw the bill and seek a general election if he lost the vote.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 12:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Boris Johnson has confirmed he will set aside the bill that would implement his deal, despite the fact the Commons has just backed it, after his proposal to fast-track it through parliament was rejected by MPs.

He said he does not want a delay and will continue to discuss with EU27 leaders until they decide whether or not to grant one.
He did not mention an election once in his statement.
lmur
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 01:12 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
An election looks inevitable, assuming the EU grants the extension. All of these parliamentary shenanigans may end up with a Boris majority.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 01:24 pm
@lmur,
An election is a guaranteed no deal Brexit or maybe the latest deal might be pushed through.
Boris and the Tories would almost certainly win, it's FPP so say 35% would get them in with a majority and then Bojo can do what he likes.
Labour and the Lib Dems will split the remain vote and make it ineffectual.

That said it would finally bring it to an end.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 01:46 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
There's (still) Johnson’s "do or die" pledge to leave the EU on October 31.

I think, if the EU grants the UK more time or not - the country will leave without a deal on Oct. 31, Johnson can say that he had delivered Brexit, and the Conservatives will get a stable majority.
tsarstepan
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 01:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Boris Johnson Loses a Critical Brexit Vote, Throwing the Process Into Disarray
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LONDON — Prime Minister Boris Johnson suffered a damaging setback Tuesday in his quest to take Britain out of the European Union, losing a critical vote in Parliament and putting his plans for Brexit on hold, as Britain’s three-year struggle to resolve the issue continued to defy any solution.
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 01:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
And then the fun really starts.

Arise Scotland the Brave.

If Broxit actually happens, I give it say within 10 years you'll have a United Ireland and a Republic of Scotland.
And unfortunately all the trouble and grief that goes with managing the transition.
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lmur
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 01:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I thought the law of the land was that the UK could not leave with no deal? Am I missing something?
eurocelticyankee
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 01:59 pm
@lmur,
If Bojo has a majority can he not change the law.
lmur
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 02:01 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
Absolutely. But i took Walter to mean that UK would leave the EU on 31/10.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 02:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I somehow didn't pay attention to Johnson's decision to "pause" his bill, rather than pull it altogether – as well as that of his decision not to explicitly refer to 31 October when telling the Commons the UK will still leave the EU under the terms of his deal.

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eurocelticyankee
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 02:05 pm
@lmur,
Oh, no I was thinking more after an election.
On 31/10 he's snookered. I'd say he'll look for as short an extension as possible and hope that would be enough to get an election triggered.

Which he'll win.
 

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