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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2019 02:59 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:

Let's give them another extension, I say, for about 15 years or so.
According to the EU’s chief negotiator, a 14-month transition is not long enough to reach new trade deal.

https://www.courrierinternational.com/sites/ci_master/files/styles/image_original_765/public/assets/images/ruben_2019-10-21-0393.jpg?itok=DhyZjzjx
Ruben from the Netherlands, courtesy of https://www.courrierinternational.com
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2019 04:55 am
@Olivier5,
EU’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has said, the EU27 need some clarification on what the UK will do next, before they decide on another Brexit extension.

Well, it would simplify my decision of what to post here as well. Very Happy
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2019 05:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
At the double-first-minister press conference in Westminster, both First Ministers Sturgeon (Scotland) and Drakeford (Wales) noted that the UK governmentt asked Scottish and Welsh devolved assemblies for consent on the Brexit deal - and that both are withholding this. This remained a difficult narrative for Boris Johnson given his talk about Brexit benefiting the union.
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lmur
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2019 05:03 am
@eurocelticyankee,
Almost certain he'd win a GE. Labour are useless and the Lib Dems appear to have thrown all of their eggs into a 2nd referendum. Boris is playing on the fatigue aspect and is winning there.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2019 05:08 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I must say I admire your dedication to this topic and especially to following each twist and turn of it. I'm almost totally unplugged now -- too much short-term shenaniganism to follow. I now rely almost entirely on you and this thread to follow the topic...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2019 06:14 am
@Olivier5,
Johnson and Corbyn fail to agree timetable for 'paused' Brexit bill
Quote:
Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn met on Wednesday morning but failed to agree a timetable for pressing ahead with the “paused” Brexit bill.

Despite the prime minister’s threat on Tuesday to pull the withdrawal agreement bill (Wab) and press for a general election if MPs rejected his fast-track timetable for approving the legislation, Downing Street confirmed that the pair had met.
[...]
The lack of progress was shown soon afterwards at prime minister’s questions, at which Corbyn called for the government to allow parliament “the necessary time to improve on this worse-than-terrible treaty”. In response, Johnson accused Labour of seeking to scupper Brexit.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2019 06:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Boris Johnson told European Council President Donald Tusk on Wednesday he did not want another Brexit delay, confident he could still get a deal through parliament by Oct. 31, his political spokesman said.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2019 09:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
At least on Friday, we will know the EU's response: three months by written procedure or a summit ... and more complications.


If the EU does agree to a three-month delay to Brexit until 31 January then the prime minister has three options if he decides to push for an election:
• a motion for a general election,
• a one-line bill,
• a no-confidence motion.
How can Boris Johnson get a general election before January?
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 23 Oct, 2019 09:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Any Brexit extension is likely to be a flexible one that would allow the UK to leave the EU prior to the end of January, Ireland’s deputy premier has said.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2019 10:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/1hUuHvX.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2019 07:54 am
@Walter Hinteler,
DUP warns of civil disorder in Northern Ireland over Brexit
Quote:
The government has been urged to heed the warnings of the risk of civil disorder by loyalists in Northern Ireland because of the sense of “betrayal” they feel over Brexit.

Deputy leader of the Democratic Unionist party Nigel Dodds urged the government not to shrug off the impact of the Brexit deal on the unionist community.

“You are really in danger here of causing real problems with the Belfast agreement, the St Andrew’s agreement, the political institutions and political stability in Northern Ireland by what you are doing to the unionist community,” he told Brexit secretary Stephen Barclay during an hour-long exchange in the House of Commons over the Northern Ireland protocol of the deal. “Please wake up and realise what is happening here,” he said.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2019 08:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
There's quite a bit (actually a lot) confusion in the UK surrounding the Northern Ireland/Ireland protocol: the Brexit Secretary says there will be border checks, the Prime Minister claims there won’t be, and the Home Secretary cannot say for sure one way or the other.

Border checks will be there, even Johnson knew that:
Boris Johnson Raised The Issue Of Northern Ireland Export Forms With Jean-Claude Juncker. And Then Agreed To Them.
Quote:
The prime minister was fully aware that the issue of export forms would be problematic back home, but signed it off anyway in order to secure the agreement with the EU.
[...]
Strictly speaking, the forms do not constitute customs checks, but are an administrative procedure also required to meet international obligations, for example to prevent the illegal trade in endangered species. The measures are also used to assess whether foods exiting or entering could put citizens at risk.
... ... ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2019 08:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Johnson is holding a meeting of his cabinet obviously just now, amid disagreements as to whether the government should push for an election or try and get its Brexit bill through parliament.

And the next president of the European commission, Ursula von der Leyen, has said Boris Johnson will need to nominate a candidate for EU commissioner to serve in Brussels if Brexit is delayed beyond 31 October.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2019 08:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Just in case, someone want's to know: the "Withdrawal Agreement Bill" is, of course, just one word in German:
Austrittsvertragsratifizierungsgesetzentwurf.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2019 08:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Rumours are that the prime minister be about to announce that he will push for an election (BBC’s political editor has just gone into No 10 to conduct a hastily arranged interview).


I don't think so, because Johnson will know that It would take about 175 Labour MPs to get a 2/3 vote for an early election.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2019 09:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
According to several media, the PM will address the Commons after the Queen’s Speech. If the Cabinet agree it, this will be to tell the House he is tabling a motion on Monday to hold a general election.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2019 09:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The vote on the Queen’s speech could come at 17:45 h local time, followed by an address by Johnson calling on MPs to back an election ... it is said.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2019 10:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Boris Johnson has announced that he will push for a general election on 12 December.

He says that parliament voted to delay Brexit and “that delay could go on for a very long time” because the EU would respond to parliament’s request and agree an extension.

The prime minister said he wanted “to be reasonable with parliament” and say they can have more time to scrutinise the legislation if they submit to a general election on 12 December.
The Guardian's blog
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lmur
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2019 10:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Very Happy
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2019 10:32 am
@lmur,
The prime minister has written to the Labour leader setting out his proposals for a general election. He says he is “extremely sceptical that this habit [of voting to delay Brexit] will change and many will doubt that this Parliament will do anything other than waste more time”.

https://i.imgur.com/pKd4Fxa.jpg
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1187400002412396545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1187400002412396545&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Flive%2F2019%2Foct%2F24%2Fbrexit-general-election-boris-johnson-labour-eu-extension-live-news
 

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