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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2019 10:11 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The government has tabled two motions for the debate tomorrow; the first, approving Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal; and a second, alternative one, approving a no-deal Brexit. As this House of Commons library briefing explains, the second motion is only expected to be moved (ie, put to a vote) if the first one gets defeated.

House of Commons Library: Brexit deal: Saturday’s sitting explained

Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2019 11:21 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
'Super Saturday' today:

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https://i.imgur.com/B9gZD9N.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 01:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Today's key moments:

• The Commons convenes at 9:30 h [that's in half an hour from now] with a statement from Boris Johnson on the Brexit deal he has negotiated with the EU, followed by questions.
• The actual motion on the deal follows afterwards, to be opened by another minister. It is only when this debate begins that it will be known which amendments have been selected for a vote by the Speaker [still John Bercow].
• The number of amendments will affect the length of the process, so the key vote could come any time from mid-afternoon to [early] evening.
• Also on the order paper is the European Union (Withdrawal) (No 2) Act – better known as . This is the backbench-created law that would compel Johnson to seek a Brexit extension if his deal is not passed.
• The Lords is also sitting to consider the same two issues.
Olivier5
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 02:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The BBC has made some bean counting and it shows how close the vote is expected to be:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/410/cpsprodpb/14D78/production/_109286358_optimised-brexit_vote_analysis-nc.png
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50104789
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 04:52 am
@Olivier5,
Meanwhile, there seems to be a significant backing for the deal.

And hundreds of thousands start marching on Westminster demanding a second referendum.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 05:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
And hundreds of thousands start marching on Westminster demanding a second referendum.
Park Lane, Piccadilly, St James's Street, Pall Mall, Cockspur Street, Trafalgar Square, Whitehall - all closed for traffic now according to MetPolice and TfL
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 07:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Letwin amendment passed.
The government lost (322 to 306).

This withholds approval of the prime minister’s deal until the legislation to enact it – the EU withdrawal bill – is passed.

Edit: the legislation will be introduced next week, Johnson said.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 08:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
"I will not negotiate a delay with the EU and neither does the law compel me to do so"

Well, many think differently.

Organisers of the people’s vote march say there are 1 million people in attendance.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 09:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The leader of the house, Jacob Rees-Mogg, suggested there could be a meaningful vote on the Brexit deal on Monday. This was then supported by Oliver Letwin, whose amendment prevented it happening today.

But it is for the speaker, John Bercow, to decide whether to allow that motion on Monday and he gave the strongest indication he would not.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 09:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
EU Commission: up to UK to inform of next steps as soon as possible
Quote:
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission said Britain must now inform the EU executive of its next steps as soon as possible after a key vote on the latest Brexit deal did not take place on Saturday.

“@EU_Commission takes note of the vote in the House of Commons today on the so-called #Letwin Amendment meaning that the #WithdrawalAgreement itself was not put to vote today,” a Commission spokeswoman tweeted.

“It will be for the UK government to inform us about the next steps as soon as possible.”
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 09:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
European Parliament’s representative on Brexit tweeted

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https://i.imgur.com/Diw5Riz.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 10:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Zhe Irish Prime Minister Varadkar said that Britain has not yet made any request to delay Brexit after PM Johnson lost the vote.

That means he is obliged to seek a postponement.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 10:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Oliver Letwin - the Johnson tamer: a rebel with a cause ruined Johnson's big Brexit day
Quote:
LONDON (Reuters) - Fearing Britain could drop out of the European Union without a deal by design or default, one British lawmaker on Saturday masterminded a plan to deny Prime Minister Boris Johnson his day of Brexit glory.

Oliver Letwin, 63, is a former cabinet minister with a reputation as an unofficial fixer, using his affable manner and procedural knowledge to head off awkward disagreements in parliament. Brexit has given him notoriety as a rebel with a cause: to stop a no-deal Brexit.

The first Saturday sitting of parliament for 37 years was supposed to frame the approval of Johnson’s EU divorce deal, succeeding where his predecessor Theresa May had spectacularly failed, by winning a vote to accept the exit agreement.

But instead Letwin, expelled by Johnson from the Conservative Party, snared the prime minister in a legislative booby-trap.

In a move showing the level of mistrust on both sides of the Brexit divide, Letwin passed a 26-word amendment that, he says, removes any chance of a no-deal Brexit by deferring a decision on Johnson’s deal.

Letwin scored 322 votes, Johnson only 306.

The result turned Johnson’s Brexit finale on its head, leaving the prime minister exposed to a humiliating obligation to ask the EU for a delay until the end of January 2020.

“I’m not daunted or dismayed by this particular result,” the prime minister said afterwards. “I will not negotiate a delay with the EU, and neither does the law compel me to do so.”

One pro-Brexit Conservative vented his frustration at the architect of the defeat: “Letwin is a pariah.”

After Johnson had left his seat in the debating chamber, his team then blindsided parliament by announcing plans to schedule a vote on his Brexit deal on Monday - putting Letwin on alert for another possible clash.

“The decision of the house today when it passed the amendment ... was specifically that the house was withholding approval unless and until the legislative stages of implementation had occurred,” Letwin said in response.

“And this very clearly flies in the face of that.”

‘NATION AT RISK’

Letwin was one of 21 Conservatives expelled from the party in September for not supporting Johnson’s pledge to leave the EU on Oct. 31 with or without a deal, and he has focused his parliamentary acumen on preventing a no-deal Brexit.

Letwin criticized Johnson’s bid to present lawmakers with a “deal or no deal” choice.

“I, despite my support for the prime minister’s deal, do not believe that it is responsible to put the nation at risk by making that threat,” he told parliament during Saturday’s three-hour debate.

His proposal sought to close a loophole whereby hardline Brexit supporters could have voted for the deal on Saturday but then blocked the legislation needed to implement it, leaving Britain on course for a disorderly exit at the end of the month.

Letwin’s amendment said parliamentary approval for the deal, required in order to ratify it, should be withheld until the government has passed the legislation needed to implement the exit agreement.

The proposal defeated Johnson because it united a diverse section of lawmakers who oppose Brexit altogether or want a second referendum, with those who support leaving the EU but only if that is with an exit deal.

While the motivation of the amendment was fear of Brexit betrayal, the proposal stoked a similar mistrust among Brexit supporters - who saw in it a plot to sink Britain’s departure in a legislative quagmire.

“It’s a wrecking amendment, hiding behind the transparent veneer of opposing a no-deal outcome in the hope of giving the Remain Parliament an opportunity to force through a second referendum,” Conservative Brexit supporter Andrew Bridgen said.


Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 10:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Summary from the Guardian's blog


Quote:
• Boris Johnson has until 11pm to request an extension to Brexit from the EU after losing a vote on an amendment tabled by Oliver Letwin.

• The Letwin amendment, which puts a brake on Brexit, was passed by 322 votes to 306.

• The prime minister insisted he would “not negotiate a delay with the EU, and neither does the law compel me to do so”. Jeremy Corbyn told him he must comply with the law and the SNP’s Ian Blackford warned Johnson could end up in court.

• The leader of the house, Jacob Rees-Mogg, said another meaningful vote would be held on Monday. But the speaker, John Bercow, indicated he might not allow this as it would be “curious or irregular” attempt to “invalidate” the result of today’s vote.

• Bercow also indicated that he could write the letter to the EU requesting an extension if instructed to by a judge or MPs. Number 10 has yet to clarify whether Johnson will send the letter.

• The People’s Vote campaign claims 1 million people have joined a march in London demanding they get a say on any Brexit deal. John McDonnell, Caroline Lucas and Anna Soubry were among those who addressed the crowds after the parliamentary vote.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 11:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Text of Brexit delay letter Johnson had to send to EU
Quote:
LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson sent an unsigned letter to the European Union on Saturday requesting a Brexit delay alongside a separate note saying that he did not want an extension, a British government source said.

Under the “Benn Act”, passed by lawmakers last month, Johnson had to ask for a Brexit deadline extension from Oct. 31 until the end of January if he failed to get lawmakers’ backing for a Brexit deal by Saturday, or their support for leaving without a deal.

Instead of voting on his divorce deal, lawmakers voted to back an amendment which delayed a final decision until formal ratification legislation has passed.

The source said a third document was also sent to Brussels, signed by Britain’s top envoy to the European Union.

Here is a text of the unsigned letter that Johnson was required to send under the Benn Act.

“Dear Mr President,

The UK Parliament has passed the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019. Its provisions now require Her Majesty’s Government to seek an extension of the period provided under Article 50(3) of the Treaty on European Union, including as applied by Article 106a of the Euratom Treaty, currently due to expire at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 October 2019, until 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020.

I am writing therefore to inform the European Council that the United Kingdom is seeking a further extension to the period provided under Article 50(3) of the Treaty on European Union, including as applied by Article 106a of the Euratom Treaty. The United Kingdom proposes that this period should end at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020. If the parties are able to ratify before this date, the Government proposes that the period should be terminated early.

Yours sincerely,

Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”


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https://i.imgur.com/IHwcbrm.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 11:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
In a second letter, Johnson addressed Tusk personally and expressed his regret at the failed vote on the new Brexit agreement in the House of Commons. It is now up to the European Council to decide when an extension will be decided and whether it will be agreed, Johnson wrote. He points out that he believes that a further postponement would harm the interests of Britain and the EU. He said he wanted "to bring the process to a conclusion".

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https://i.imgur.com/kGNSAJq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qCUXUEQ.jpg


Officials in Brussels said there was little doubt that an extension request would be granted, despite the prime minister’s attempts to throw doubt on such a move. A decision on the terms could be taken later in October to allow for events to unfold in London. A summit could be held as late as 29 October.
Ambassadors for the EU27 will meet on this morning to discuss the latest developments.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 19 Oct, 2019 11:39 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Actually, Johnson sent three letters:
an unsigned photocopy of the request he was obliged to send under the Benn Act, an explanatory letter from the UK’s ambassador to the EU and the personal letter explaining why Downing Street did not want an extension.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 20 Oct, 2019 08:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The order paper for Monday confirms the government will seek a meaningful vote on its Brexit deal again, as announced by Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the House of Commons, on Saturday.

However, the Speaker of the Commons may disallow this because the government already had one attempt at getting the motion through on Saturday, when it was amended by parliament to prevent it being a meaningful vote.

Commons Order Paper outlining Monday’s agenda
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 20 Oct, 2019 12:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The Guardian's "crack visuals unit" has worked up this graphic showing estimated votes for and against Johnson’s deal, based on a Guardian analysis of MPs’ likely intentions - and while ministers insist they have the numbers, it’s clear that it remains agonisingly close.

Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/TasYKiX.jpg

The Guardian
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 04:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The government has confirmed that its Brexit bill, which enshrines the prime minister’s deal with the EU into UK law, will be published later today.

We should find out around 14:30 h if Bercow is likely to allow the "meaningful vote this afternoon.
 

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