@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I've no idea why you introduce the unions here, they are no political party in the UK.
I don't think that 49% of the UK's population is "socialist".
In the Lords, you have members of all parties as well as Brexiters as Remainers - generally, the Lords leaning more to the pro-Remain side - until during the last few years moreBrexit-supporting members became members.
Idk know what is explicitly considered 'socialist' or not, but what I mean generally refers to the use of government to control markets and business in favor of enriching the large masses of people who are not in direct ownership/control of 'the means of production.'
If you look at the history of unions, especially in Europe, the unions following WWII were always strong enough to maintain wage growth that outpaces inflation. In other words, they were successful at keeping the purchasing power of the middle-class on par with productivity growth more generally.
The EU news I generally catch wind of is often about large anti-trust settlements that effectively transfer income from large corporations, such as Microsoft, to government. Although the stated intent is to punish market dominance, the practical effect seems to be to effectuate fiscal transfers from the corporations to the people, which to my mind appears socialist.
So I would assume there are 'capitalists' in the traditional Marxian use of the term, in the Torries who see this pattern of fiscal transfers and business-control within the EU, who don't expect to be able to wrest control of their businesses back from governmental regulators. This is the reason I would expect Brexit to be popular with that party.
The other reason I think Brexit is popular has to do with freedom of movement and migration. Some of that is just racism/xenophobia, I think, but there is another side of it that is more sensible, which has to do with migration driving up prices by augmenting demand in housing and other markets; as well as the various trafficking activities that happen because human migration can be exploited by organized crime for profit.
What I'm wondering is if there are sufficient means of addressing and dealing with such problems (or others) without seeking Brexit, or whether the interest in Brexit emerged because of a sense of inadequacy within the EU (confederational) governmental complex to do so. In short, do Brexiters feel like there are problems against which their hands are tied by EU governmental institutions, and if they had more hope of being able to deal with those problems without leaving the EU, would the interest in Brexit subside?