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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Wed 3 Apr, 2019 02:32 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It may not be legally binding but it would still be hard to justify ignoring the result, politically speaking.

Edit: sorry, you said as much in your post. I rushed to answer without reading to the end.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 3 Apr, 2019 02:34 pm
@georgeob1,
There is some push for a second referendum, it was one of the 8 motions voted upon last week.
georgeob1
 
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Wed 3 Apr, 2019 05:06 pm
@Olivier5,
OK. Thanks.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 3 Apr, 2019 09:46 pm
@georgeob1,
Police amass 10,000 officers in preparation for no-deal unres
Quote:
Police chiefs have voiced fears that inflammatory rhetoric from politicians and activists could fuel Brexit tensions as they revealed they have amassed their biggest ever peacetime reserve of 10,000 officers to deal with potential unrest in the event of no deal.

The chair of the National Police Chiefs Council, Martin Hewitt, warned “prominent individuals” involved in the protracted Brexit debate should avoid inciting anger given the “febrile” and “emotive” atmosphere, amid concerns of violence and disorder.

Hewitt said: “This is highly emotive ... I think there is a responsibility on those individuals that have a platform, and have a voice, to communicate in a way that is temperate and is not in any way going to inflame people’s views or cause any actions out of there.

“I think we are in an incredibly febrile atmosphere. There is a lot of angry talk that you can pick up if you look across social media.”

He said it was “incumbent on anybody in a position of responsibility and who has a voice to just think carefully about the way they express their views” to avoid inciting unwanted behaviour.

The NPCC lead for Brexit planning, chief constable Charlie Hall, said at least 10,000 officers trained in quelling disorder were ready for deployment across England, Wales and Northern Ireland, and trained in tactics to tackle looting in the event of shortages and violence if tensions spill over.

That was a greater contingent of officers, Hall said, than deployed to reinforce local forces during the 2011 riots across England, the worst since the end of the second world war.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 3 Apr, 2019 10:49 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
So now, to avoid an abrupt no-deal Brexit on April 12, May must present a summit of EU leaders next Wednesday with a plausible strategy to win approval in parliament for the Withdrawal Agreement that she negotiated with Brussels.

Wonders never cease!
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 11:51 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Ministers warned over planes and troops in no-deal Brexit
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Ministers warned over planes and troops in no-deal Brexit
Cabinet secretary Sir Mark Sedwill says emergency contingency plans are needed

Cabinet ministers were told they must agree emergency contingency plans to keep planes flying to North America and Australia, as well as keeping British troops legally in Bosnia, in case the EU forces a no-deal exit.

Before their marathon cabinet meeting on Tuesday, the cabinet secretary, Sir Mark Sedwill, briefed ministers that major security and commercial decisions would need to be completed if Brussels rejected Theresa May’s plan to ask for a short extension to article 50.

A cabinet source said the decisions were likely to result in large costs to the taxpayer and that decisions would also need to be taken on direct rule in Northern Ireland and payment of the UK’s £39bn divorce bill to the EU.

Among the decisions outlined in a 14-page document handed to ministers in Downing Street were:

• New agreements would be required for air services with Canada, the US and Australia.
• British troops in Bosnia currently serving as part of an EU force would need to be placed under Nato command.
• Negotiations would need to be urgently completed on a future fisheries agreement so that EU fishing boats could be expelled from British waters.

Sedwill, the UK’s highest-ranking civil servant, is said to have warned cabinet ministers that some of the biggest decisions were likely to be very difficult to reverse, because they involved international agreements.

The warnings from Sedwill, who is also May’s national security adviser, follow an earlier letter he wrote to ministers warning that no deal would lead to food price rises and a reduction in security capacity.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2019 04:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Civil servants handling no-deal plans offered mental health support
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British civil servants have been offered mental health support to ease the stress of preparing for a no-deal Brexit, it has emerged.

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) employed a company with a “cognitive behavioural counselling approach” to provide a wellbeing service for three months until January this year.

It coincided with the recruitment of about 1,300 staff as Defra bolstered its “emergency preparedness in case of a no-deal scenario”, with the department responsible for food and water, waste strategies and animal movements – meaning it has one of the largest no-deal Brexit workloads.

A Defra spokesperson said: “The health, safety and wellbeing of our staff is always a priority for Defra and we have a range of services on offer to support staff’s mental health. This short-term contract expired at the end of January and bolstered our own wellbeing services for two months while we made changes to our existing employee support.”

It is understood the service was then brought in-house once the department made changes to its support programmes and increased capacity.

A description of the contract read: “Onsite wellbeing counselling for a short period during EU exit preparations in London, Bristol and York. Primarily for those working in EU exit hubs during emergency preparedness in case of a no-deal scenario.”

The Gloucester-based employee assistance company Care First was paid £40,000 to provide the support services to Defra staff in London, York and Bristol. The contract was awarded on 30 November last year, although it began on 1 November.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2019 05:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
In the House of Lords peers have just started debating Lady Hayter’s business motion, changing the schedule in the upper house so that the Yvette Cooper bill, requiring the PM to demand an article 50 extension, can go through all its Lords stages by the end of today.

But some Brexiter peers are determined to resist the attempts to railroad the bill through the Lords. Lord Forsyth, the Conservative former cabinet minister, is one of the peers leading the opposition, and he has just told the house that suspending standing orders to fast-track a bill in this way could lead to “tyranny”.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2019 05:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The closure motion has passed by 239 votes to 118 - a majority of 121.

Peers are now voting on Lord Forsyth’s amendment to the business motion, saying the Cooper bill should not be fast-tracked.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2019 06:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Supporters of the Cooper bill have won a second vote. A move to hold up the bill proposed by the Tory Lord Forsyth has been defeated by 254 votes to 94 - a majority of 160.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2019 08:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Commons has adjourned for the rest of the day because the leak of water into the chamber.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2019 09:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
At the weekend Michael Roth, the German deputy foreign minister, described Brexit as a "shitshow". He may be right metaphorically but thankfully, and despite rumours earlier, this is not quite true yet as a factual description of the predicament at Westminster.

Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/iDdqKxHl.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2019 11:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and Leo Varadkar, the Irish prime minister, have both stressed that Theresa May will need to be able to explain to EU leaders next week why they should agree to extend article 50 again.

At a joint press conference in Dublin Varadkar said:
Matters continue to play out in London and I think we need to be patient and understanding of the predicament that they are in. But of course, any further extension must require and must have a credible and realistic way forward.

And Merkel said:
We do hope that the intensive discussions that are ongoing in London will lead to a situation by next Wednesday, when we have a special council meeting, where Prime Minister Theresa May will have something to table to us on the basis of which we can continue to talk.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2019 11:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Downing Street appears (!!!) ready to countenance a confirmatory referendum:
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2019 12:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
This is a minor victory for the Brexiter filibuster in the Lords:
the Yvette Cooper bill, which would require the PM to request an article 50 extension and avoid a no-deal Brexit, will remain with the Lords until Monday.
Its supporters had wanted to see it fast-tracked through the upper chamber, so that it could become law by the end of today.

As the Labour party notes, however, it will be sent back to the Commons in a "timely fashion", meaning the delay could yet turn out to have little material affect on the outcome.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2019 11:37 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The forthcoming Brexit (if it comes, that is not one hundred percent sure yet) still encounters regret among large parts of the population (74 percent) in Germany. At present only 16 per cent welcome the planned departure of Great Britain from the EU, according to a survey published yesterday for the ARD "Germany trend".

The regret over the resignation of Great Britain outweighs up-to-date with nearly all across the party borders equally - also with the non-voters. The only exception is the far-right AfD, where one in two voters (49 per cent) welcomes the UK's withdrawal from the EU.
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 5 Apr, 2019 12:08 am
The EU "punishes" the UK again...

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The European parliament has voted to confirm UK citizens will continue to benefit from visa-free travel to member states after a no-deal Brexit.

MEPs voted 502 votes to 81 in favour of the concession

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/brexit-visa-free-travel-no-deal-vote-eu-parliament-passport-a8854371.html
Lash
 
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Fri 5 Apr, 2019 03:55 am
@Olivier5,
The punishment would have been if they had not opted for this—which was threatened.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 5 Apr, 2019 06:58 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
The punishment would have been if they had not opted for this—which was threatened.
a) why is it a punishment? Are "third country nationals" (the UK will be one) punished because they have to get a visa?*
b) this was the EU-Parliament. When did they threaten the UK with a decision visa related.
c) you certainly noticed that this decission was done with the provision that EU nationals enjoy the same conditions when travelling to the UK, which so far isn't the case. (And one of the reasons for Brexit - a main reason - was to end free movement. Perhaps you remember?)

* Already last December, the European Commission has confirmed that while UK travellers will not need a visa, they will need to apply for and buy another document.
It is called an ETIAS (European Travel Information and Authorisation System) which is the travel requirement for many non-EU countries from 2021 onward.
The travel requirement is not just for the UK but for many non-EU countries. >ETIAS<
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 5 Apr, 2019 07:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Speaking about the EU-Parliament: with Theresa May confirming that, for the moment at least, the European parliamentary elections are going ahead, Nigel Farage, the former Ukip leader, has said that he will stand for his new Brexit party.
 

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