Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

@Olivier5,

I've met quite a few people in French Flanders, who called that town Kales.

Live updates on the vote (I think) if anyone is interested.

I'm unsure if the page is self-updating though. So if anyone uses it, you might want to hit the refresh button now and then.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/apr/01/brexit-latest-live-news-indicative-votes--brexiters-dismiss-customs-union-plan-as-unacceptable-as-mps-prepare-for-more-indicative-votes-live-new

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@Walter Hinteler,

It was held by the Brits for two centuries, the "brightest jewel in the English crown".

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@oralloy,

It's just MPs making noize.

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@Olivier5,

The British people elected these people to represent them. The result of their vote should be (and I think will be) influential on what happens with Brexit.

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@oralloy,

Influencial as in chosing whether to drive off the cliff with their belt on or off.

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@Olivier5,

I think the UK and the EU would both benefit from having the UK remain in the EU.

But I think the UK and the EU will manage OK if the UK leaves the EU, either partially or wholly.

Although I hope Northern Ireland doesn't get screwed up. The last thing anyone needs is a new cycle of revenge murders there.

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All four voted down again.

Customs Union
For: 273
Against: 276
Majority against: 3

Public Referendum On Whatever Is Decided
For: 280
Against: 292
Majority against: 12

Norway Option
For: 261
Against: 282
Majority against: 21

Revoking Article 50
For: 191
Against: 292
Majority against: 101

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@oralloy,

No-deal Brexit 'almost inevitable' — the view from Europe

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The deadline for the UK to present the European Union with a new proposal for its exit from the bloc or crash out without a deal is fast approaching. A top EU official has warned that Britain is "facing the abyss.

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@oralloy,

Politically, I think the EU could possibly benefit from Brexit over the long run (less free-wheelers, better appreciation of the benefits) but short term its GDP will take a hit. The UK will take a massive hit, and not just economically... This will test their social fabrik and lead to security risks, in NI and beyond. It is very much like jumping off a cliff.

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@Olivier5,

I'm not convinced about the EU's benefits, but otherwise I agree.

This morning, the UK's cabinet meets for what will be a hugely important gathering, even by the standards of recent weeks and months. It seems, there will be a new vote on May’s deal later in the week, and perhaps more indicative votes.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I'm trying to be optimistic...

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@Olivier5,

The Daily Mail, which is supportive of Theresa May at the moment, has an exclusive about a letter from Sir Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, to cabinet ministers about the dangers of a no-deal Brexit.

Sir Mark’s 14-page letter warns:
- No-deal would result in a 10 per cent spike in food prices and the collapse of some businesses that trade with the EU;
- The government would come under pressure to bail out companies on the brink;
- It would hamper the ability of the police and security services to keep people safe;
- It would lead to the reintroduction of direct rule in Northern Ireland for the first time since 2007;
- A recession will hit the UK and the pound’s depreciation will be ‘more harmful’ than in 2008.
- The legal authorities and judicial system would be put under ‘enormous pressure’ ...

Daily Mail: Top mandarin's bombshell No Deal warning: Food up 10%, police unable to protect public, direct rule in Ulster, worse recession than 2008 says leaked letter

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney has said as the days pass a no-deal Brexit looks like a real possibility and preparations for this outcome have intensified significantly.

Speaking during Leaders' Questions in the Dáil, he said the Government is working to do everything to prepare Ireland for a no-deal scenario. He said he will bring two Brexit papers to Cabinet at 8:30pm today.

Mr Coveney said Ireland has a dual responsibility to protect the Good Friday Agreement and the peace process and at the same time ensure the EU single market is protected.

He said the Government has intensified discussions with the European Commission on this issue but checks at EU ports on Irish products "was not a runner" and would cause significant damage to the Irish economy. Mr Coveney said the the single market's integrity needed to be protected and at the same time physical infrastructure at the border needed to be avoided.

Hope is no longer a strategy, he said, and by accident or design we are heading towards a hard Brexit.

RTE

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@Walter Hinteler,

Emmanuel Macron, the French president, has been meeting Leo Varadkar, the Irish prime minister, in Paris today to discuss Brexit.
Macron stressed that it was not inevitable that the EU would grant the UK a long article 50 extension.
And Varadkar said: "It’s very much the case that the UK is consumed by Brexit, but Ireland and France and the EU shouldn’t be consumed by Brexit. "
"The UK will leave EU on 12 April without a deal ,however there is still time for the PM to come to the European Council with proposals, proposals that are credible and that have a clear path to success."

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@Walter Hinteler,

Cabinet ministers have been in Number 10 for almost seven hours now, and their meeting is still going on. They could be there for another hour, according to ITV.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Observers are expecting the prime minister to make a statement soon (The cabinet is still locked in nearly an hour after cars lined up to take them away.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

The a live feed of PM Mays’s speech will be on youtube

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@Walter Hinteler,

Theresa May said she understands some people are so fed up that they want to leave with no deal. But she supports leaving with one and said, the UK need a short extension to article 50.
She said the debate cannot be allowed to drag on and added that the Commons’ approach has not worked.
May said she is offering to sit down with the leader of the opposition, Jeremy Corbyn, to come up with a plan to leave with a deal. But the PM said, too, that deal must include her withdrawal agreement.

May said the extension would be as short as possible and would end once a deal was struck - she wants the process to be finished by 22 May so that the UK does not have to take part in the European Parliament elections.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Full text of May's speech as delivered by Downing Street:

I have just come from chairing seven hours of cabinet meetings focused on finding a route out of the current impasse – one that will deliver the Brexit the British people voted for and allow us to move on and begin bringing our divided country back together.

I know there are some who are so fed up with delay and endless arguments that they would like to leave with no deal next week.

I have always been clear that we could make a success of no deal in the long term. But leaving with a deal is the best solution. So, we will need a further extension of article 50 – one that is as short as possible and which ends when we pass a deal. And we need to be clear what such an extension is for – to ensure we leave in a timely and orderly way.

This debate, this division, cannot drag on much longer. It is putting members of Parliament and everyone else under immense pressure and it is doing damage to our politics.

Despite the best efforts of MPs, the process that the House of Commons has tried to lead has not come up with an answer. So, today, I am taking action to break the logjam: I am offering to sit down with the leader of the opposition and to try to agree a plan – that we would both stick to – to ensure that we leave the European Union and that we do so with a deal.

Any plan would have to agree the current withdrawal agreement – it has already been negotiated with the 27 other members, and the EU has repeatedly said that it cannot and will not be reopened.

What we need to focus on is our future relationship with the EU. The ideal outcome of this process would be to agree an approach on a future relationship that delivers on the result of the referendum, that both the leader of the opposition and I could put to the House for approval, and which I could then take to next week’s European Council.

However, if we cannot agree on a single unified approach, then we would instead agree a number of options for the future relationship that we could put to the House in a series of votes to determine which course to pursue. Crucially, the government stands ready to abide by the decision of the House. But, to make this process work, the opposition would need to agree to this too.

The government would then bring forward the withdrawal agreement Bill. We would want to agree a timetable for this Bill to ensure it is passed before 22 May so that the United Kingdom need not take part in European Parliamentary elections.

This is a difficult time for everyone. Passions are running high on all sides of the argument. But we can and must find the compromises that will deliver what the British people voted for. This is a decisive moment in the story of these islands. And it requires national unity to deliver the national interest.

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