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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 28 Mar, 2019 01:06 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Why are MPs going to vote on just the Brexit withdrawal agreement?
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The government has split withdrawal agreement and political declaration. What does this mean?

What is the withdrawal agreement?
This is the agreement that covers the £39bn payment from the UK to the EU, citizens’ rights of non-Brits in the UK and British citizens in other EU countries and the backstop on the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

This is a legally-binding document and has to be passed by the British and the European parliaments before the UK can leave the European Union with a deal. The government has argued that if we cannot pass this withdrawal agreement by Friday, we cannot leave the EU with a deal.

What is the political declaration?
This is the joint declaration drawn up by Theresa May with the European Union about what the post-Brexit relationship between the EU and the UK would look like. This is not legally binding and was meant to form the basis of trade talks.

Why has the government split them?
On Wednesday, Theresa May announced she would not lead the second phase of negotiations. Sources close to the government say they have split them so that the government can leave the EU on 22 May without passing the more contentious political declaration.

What is the government really up to?
Having been rebuffed by the government’s partners in the Democratic Unionist party and some of their own MPs in the Eurosceptic European Research Group, Theresa May is trying to force Labour’s hand. It is a way of saying to the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn: “If you want to honour the result of the EU referendum, you should vote for the withdrawal agreement.” Labour has previously said the government could not try to split the withdrawal agreement and the political declaration.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 28 Mar, 2019 02:50 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Again something regarding the Norwegian option:
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[...]
MPs backing a soft Brexit are hoping to forge compromise options to be put to parliament when the next round of indicative votes take place in the House of Commons.

Supporters of a Norway-style approach, dubbed “common market 2.0”, as well those MPs backing a customs union, hope they can come together and attract a majority for a form of soft Brexit.

Discussions are taking place to persuade the Labour frontbench to adopt more broadly appealing wording for a softer Brexit proposal, rather than put their own version of a Labour Brexit deal as one of the options in the next round of voting.

Unless Theresa May’s deal passes on Friday, MPs are expecting to vote again on a series of Brexit options on Monday, using a similar system to the first round of voting this Wednesday, where options are put down by MPs and selected by the speaker.
[...]
The Guardian
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Mar, 2019 01:40 am
@Walter Hinteler,
https://i.imgur.com/NWbaQ1a.jpg

On the day the UK was originally meant to leave the EU – something May had promised would happen more than 100 times – the prime minister will put only the withdrawal agreement to a vote, having promised to step aside if the MPs give her their approval.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Mar, 2019 04:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
For several months now Boris Johnson, the former Brexiter foreign secretary and perhaps-future PM, has been denouncing Theresa May’s deal. It was “vassal state stuff”, he used to say.
But now he has confirmed in a series of tweets he will vote for it.

https://i.imgur.com/4lVk22x.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/6qCsge3.jpg
Olivier5
 
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Fri 29 Mar, 2019 06:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Bojo is apparently trying to become the next PM, hence the effort to sound statemanlike. That would explain May's gambit: put the PM job in the balance to entice the hard brexiters to vote for her deal, out of their personal ambition.

Let's hope she can pull it off...
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 29 Mar, 2019 07:52 am
A Banksy painting is back on display 10 years after the artist's wildly popular exhibition at Bristol Museum.

Devolved Parliament, his biggest known work on canvas, depicts politicians in the House of Commons as chimpanzees.

It will be on display until September as part of the 10th anniversary celebrations of the Banksy vs Bristol Museum exhibition and is on loan from a private collection.

https://image-cdn.hypb.st/https%3A%2F%2Fhypebeast.com%2Fimage%2F2019%2F03%2Fbanksys-devolved-parliament-back-on-display-for-brexit-1.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Mar, 2019 08:46 am
@Olivier5,
MPs have rejected Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement for the third time, by 344 votes to 286 - a majority of 58.

May says she will continue to fight for "orderly Brexit". (The UK could ask for a further extension. But that would mean holding European elections.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Mar, 2019 08:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Labour, SNP, the Independent Group (actually becoming a party soon), the Liberal Democrats ... well, the opposition is calling for general elections now.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Mar, 2019 09:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission on Friday said a no-deal Brexit on April 12 was now “likely” after UK parliament rejected for the third time British Prime Minister Theresa May’s divorce deal with the European Union.

“The Commission regrets the negative vote in the House of Commons today,” a spokesman said, adding that the EU has given London until April 12 to inform it of the next steps. “It will be for the UK to indicate the way forward before that date.”

“A ‘no-deal’ scenario on 12 April is now a likely scenario. The EU... is now fully prepared for a ‘no-deal’ scenario at midnight on 12 April.”
Reuters
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 29 Mar, 2019 09:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Okay, so May's gambit failed, as was predictable.

At least, there's an end in sight.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Mar, 2019 11:05 am
@Olivier5,
Nigel Dodds, the DUP leader at Westminster, has told the BBC that he would rather see the UK stay in the EU than put the place of Northern Ireland in the union at risk.

https://i.imgur.com/0I4nQbz.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Mar, 2019 11:07 am
@Olivier5,
A couple of ministers are in No 10 just now. It's said, they are urging the PM to say no to a softer Brexit and to go for No Deal Brexit.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Mar, 2019 12:05 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Vote Leave has dropped its appeal against the Electoral Commission’s finding that it broke the law and paid its £61,000 fine.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Mar, 2019 12:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
In Westminster, where there are rival pro-Brexit rallies taking place, the rhetoric is taking an aggressive and somewhat troubling turn, reports say and tv videos show.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 1 Apr, 2019 12:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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The EU is running out of patience with Britain over Brexit, the president of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker has warned.

In an interview with Italian state TV, Mr Juncker said he would like MPs in the UK to be able to reach an agreement over the way forward in the coming days.

“We have had a lot of patience with our British friends but patience is coming to an end,” he told RAI.

The commission president added: “So far we know what the British parliament says no to, but we don’t know what it might say yes to.”

Asked if a second referendum might be possible, Mr Juncker said that was an issue exclusively for the British people.

His words were reported by his deputy chief spokesman Mina Andreeva. She tweeted that Mr Juncker had told the Italian interviewer he would “like that the UK tells us which way they want to follow now”.

It comes ahead of a series of key votes in Parliament on Monday which could pave the way for a “softer” Brexit.

Several Tory ministers have urged Theresa May to heed the will of MPs if they manage to unite around a customs union during the second round of “indicative votes”.

On Sunday cabinet minister David Gauke told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “If parliament is voting overwhelmingly against leaving the European Union without a deal but is voting in favour of a softer Brexit, then I don’t think it’s sustainable to ignore parliament’s position and therefore leave without a deal.”

Defence minister Tobias Ellwood also signalled he would support some kind of customs union plan in the votes tomorrow.

Although there has been speculation a general election could be called to break the deadlock in parliament, most Conservatives are opposed.

Alistair Burt, who resigned as foreign office minister after voting against Ms May’s Brexit deal, said he didn't think a new election would be helpful.

“We need to stick to this task that we have in relation to the European Union,” he told Sky News on Sunday. “Settle that and then move forward, offer the public the wide range of choices that political parties do ... let's get on with doing this job in the first place.”
The Independent
Olivier5
 
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Mon 1 Apr, 2019 12:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,
But the deal on the table IS already "some kind of customs union plan"...
oralloy
 
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Mon 1 Apr, 2019 01:08 am
@Olivier5,
Not as I understand it.

May's plan has all sorts of contradictory nonsense in it.

My understanding of the Customs Union option is that the UK simply remains a party to the Customs Union.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 1 Apr, 2019 01:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Ministers try to force May's hand over Brexit as cabinet rift widens
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Theresa May’s government is on the verge of meltdown as cabinet ministers prepare to clash over whether to support plans for a softer Brexit and a possible lengthy delay before leaving the European Union.

In a decisive intervention, David Gauke, the justice secretary, said on Sunday that the prime minister would have to accept the possibility of backing a customs union if the measure is supported by parliament this week.

This was dismissed by Brexiters, including those in cabinet, who have threatened to resign if May accepts a customs union or submits to a delay that goes beyond 22 May. Those threatening to quit were reported to include Penny Mordaunt, the international development secretary, and Chris Grayling, the transport secretary.

In another twist, Julian Smith, the chief whip, told the BBC on Monday that a softer Brexit was “inevitable” after the government lost its majority after the 2017 election.

It comes as May and her dwindling number of supporters prepare to face a second round of “indicative” votes on alternatives to her deal on Monday.
Concerned by the possibility of cabinet resignations, May is being urged by some ministers to allow a free vote on any customs union proposal. If parliament backs a customs union, ministers believe May will be forced to make a decision that will lead to resignations when the cabinet meets on Tuesday.

With 12 days before the UK is due to leave the EU, Gauke said the prime minister would have to “look very closely” if MPs back a customs union in a fresh round of indicative votes.

“If parliament is voting overwhelmingly against leaving the European Union without a deal but is voting in favour of a softer Brexit, then I don’t think it’s sustainable to ignore parliament’s position and therefore leave without a deal,” Gauke said.

Asked for his response to a letter from 170 Tory MPs, including 10 members of the cabinet, who wrote to May urging her to take the UK out of the EU “with or without a deal”, Gauke said he would resign rather than support no-deal Brexit.

“My position is that it is not the responsible thing for a government to do, to leave without a deal in these circumstances. So obviously I wouldn’t be able to remain a member of the government,” Gauke told the BBC.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 1 Apr, 2019 02:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Today, only today on April 1, the Australian airline Webjet claimed it had launched a $1 Brexit Flash Sale on flights from the UK to the Australia.

BREXIT FLASH SALE - Flights Out of the UK from $1
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You may have heard about the UK’s decision to leave the EU. Hell, you might even be one of the lovely people who voted for it. It’s tough out there for you Brits; no one knows what is going on. Even your political pundits aren’t shocked anymore.

Why would you want to go to Europe after this? Forget that package holiday to Benidorm, who needs it? Try something a little further afield. We understand. Our prime minister changes almost daily, but we’re relaxed. That’s because it’s so bloody beautiful over here. No dramas – just palm trees, sparkling shores and rad waves.

Webjet Australia are here to help so you don’t have to stay and deal with the no deal. Get out of the rain and come on over to sunny Australia on one of our $1 international flights, departing daily from all major UK cities!
Olivier5
 
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Mon 1 Apr, 2019 05:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I've read that Her Majesty the Queen has decided to size on this offer and emigrate to her colony down under, until such a time when her Kingdom gets United again...
 

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