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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Thu 15 Nov, 2018 01:44 pm
@ehBeth,
In an email to Labour members Jeremy Corbyn, Leader of the Labour Party, wrote:
The government is falling apart before our eyes. Their half-baked deal has unravelled, the prime minister has lost all authority and is clearly incapable of delivering a Brexit deal that commands even the support of her Cabinet - let alone parliament and the people of our country.

Our party conference agreed that this deal would be judged against our six tests, and if it failed to meet them we would vote against it.

After two years of bungled negotiations, the government has produced a botched deal that breaches the prime minister’s own red lines, does not meet our six tests and will leave the country in an indefinite halfway house without a real say.

As I said in parliament earlier today, people around the country will be feeling anxious about the industries they work in, the jobs they hold and the stability of this country.

We do not accept that the choice is between the government’s deal and ‘no deal’. We will work across parliament to stop a ‘no deal’ outcome. Labour has set out our alternative plan for a sensible Brexit that would work for all of our nations and regions, bring parliament and the country together, support jobs and our economy and guarantee rights, standards and protections.

If parliament votes down this shambolic Tory deal – as seems likely – this will represent a loss of confidence in the government. In those circumstances, the best outcome for the country is an immediate general election that can sweep the Tories from power and deliver the Labour government this country desperately needs.

If we cannot get a general election, in line with our conference policy, we will support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote.

We are ready to lead, ready to deliver a sensible deal that works for all our regions and nations and ready to build a Britain that works for the many, not the few.

Jeremy Corbyn
Leader of the Labour Party
(emphasis in the original email)
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Setanta
 
  1  
Thu 15 Nov, 2018 02:45 pm
Jeremy obviously sees himself moving into 10 Downing Street.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Thu 15 Nov, 2018 11:52 pm
@Setanta,
The print media wonder, if May can survive another day

https://i.imgur.com/cWAGRG1.jpg



I like the International New York Times nest "Brexit deal has arrived. Hello, chaos"



https://i.imgur.com/1CxWydK.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 12:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Chaos was predicted long before anybody thought about Brexit as viable. Anyone who has studied Economics 101 would know this.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 09:40 am
@cicerone imposter,
North Yorkshire potter Lee Cartledge has designed a commemorative Brexit mug that cannot be used and therefore "sums up the whole Brexit negotiations".

https://i.imgur.com/cIoIzdj.jpg

This 'limited edition' Brexit mug pretty much sums everything up[/url]
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 09:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Liam Fox admits 'a deal is better than no deal' as he backs Theresa May's plan
Quote:
Cabinet minister Liam Fox has sought to defend the prime minister’s Brexit proposals by claiming that “a deal is better than no deal”.

The international development secretary’s comments mark a change in stance from the previous “no deal is better than a bad deal” line, taken by Theresa May since early 2017.

The comments from Dr Fox, who has been seen as a leading Brexiteer, come as the prime minister appeared to have at least temporarily stemmed the flow of resignations from her front bench that began on Thursday.

... ... ...
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 01:01 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Good representation; too many uncontrollable leaks.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 03:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Good summary in Thinkprogress, including this bit:

Quote:
To make things worse, as May stood before the House of Commons Thursday to discuss the plan, saying any exit should be done in a “smooth and orderly” fashion, members laughed.

“They laughed uproariously, and for long enough that she had to pause, eyes flickering over her papers, and wait for them to stop, so she could continue,” The New York Times reported.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 01:59 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
France is pushing the UK to incorporate future European climate change directives into law automatically in return for an ambitious trade deal with the EU.

A large number of member states fear that the UK could enjoy an economic advantage after Brexit if it were able to diverge from European laws and regulations, and they want to use their leverage now to force a commitment from future British governments.

The demand by Emmanuel Macron for the UK to be tied into the EU’s Paris 2030 targets was just one of a series of interventions made by member states during recent meetings with Michel Barnier and his negotiating team.

While a UK withdrawal agreement dealing with citizens’ rights, the £39bn financial settlement and the Irish border have been agreed in principle, the political declaration on the future relationship is yet to be finalised. A seven-page declaration published last week is set to become a much heavier document after member states made a series of interventions in meetings with the European commission for additional text. One EU diplomat said: “It’s a Christmas tree and all the member states are putting their baubles on it.”

Olly Robbins, Downing Street’s Brexit adviser, was in Brussels this weekend for meetings with the commission. On Sunday, ambassadors for the 27 member states are to meet Barnier to discuss the text. Negotiations will have to be completed when ministers for the 27 meet on Monday, with a draft due to be made public on Tuesday.

Downing Street is hopeful that the political declaration can be a “sweetener” to the withdrawal agreement, which has faced a storm of protest in Britain.

On Saturday, Commons leader Andrea Leadsom insisted there was “more to be done” before a special European council meeting on Sunday 25 November to get “the best possible deal for the UK”.

But the extra demands on the UK are likely to be unwelcome to Brexiters, who fear that the government is allowing the UK to be permanently sucked into the EU’s regulatory orbit.

While the UK is a leading light among the EU member states on climate change, the French government is concerned that in a post-Brexit world there will be calls within Britain to undercut the rest of the continent.

The EU has been steadily ratcheting up its targets as part of the 2015 Paris climate change accord, and France wants the UK to be bound to them.

Last week the European parliament adopted energy-savings targets of 32.5% and a renewable energy uplift of 32% by 2030. That will put the bloc on course to cut emissions by 45% from 1990 levels by 2030.

The most politically sensitive demand from the EU is likely, however, to concern the trade-off the bloc wants to make between access for the European fishing fleet to British waters and the wider trade deal.

It is understood that a clause will be included in the political declaration making a link between British companies having access to the European market, and maintaining the “existing reciprocal access to fishing waters and resources”.

The EU wants a deal on access to UK waters by July 2020, with the UK being tied to making its “best endeavour” to get an agreement, or British exporters will face a loss of access to its market for their own goods.

A number of member states are also championing more positive language in the political declaration on the future trading relationship.

One diplomat from a European country on the western fringe of the EU said: “The relationship as sketched out in the political declaration doesn’t do enough for us. It doesn’t protect the supply lines and we should aim higher, and lock ourselves in to achieve more.”

Andrew Duff, a former MEP, and visiting fellow at the European Policy Centre thinktank, said: “The political declaration needs to do two things – corral the 27 behind a settled course of action leading to an unprecedented association agreement with the UK, and secondly to commit the British prime minister – and if possible her successor – in that same direction.

“It can’t be too loose, therefore, but also can’t be so tightly drafted that it pre-empts the association agreement negotiations. It’s the first chance for the EU 27 to plot the future of Europe without the Brits – an important moment, therefore.”
The Guardian
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 08:25 pm
@Olivier5,
This is the funniest sentence of the whole lot.
Quote:
...making it difficult for the U.K. to strike on its own and make its own “amazing” trade deals.
I got a good laugh over that one!
Olivier5
 
  1  
Sun 18 Nov, 2018 03:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
It’s a Christmas tree

At least that's in season... :-)
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Sun 18 Nov, 2018 03:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
This particular editor of Thinkprogress (Luke Barnes) is quite funny. Taken from another good article of his:

Quote:
It’s a biting cold Saturday morning in Little Rock and a hush has descended around the Arkansas State House. The National Socialist Movement (NSM - aka neonazis) is in town for a demonstration.

“It’s sad,” an elderly traffic warden says as we wait for NSM’s convoy of minivans and clapped-out SUVs to arrive. “They need the Lord.”

https://thinkprogress.org/arkansas-white-nationalist-nsm-rally-trump-tweets-white-genocide-false-14c1e5b561d4/

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Olivier5
 
  1  
Mon 19 Nov, 2018 02:02 am
https://www.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/238/2018/11/16/218205_600.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Mon 19 Nov, 2018 03:35 am
@Olivier5,
The Brexit tumult shows: the EU has grown together so closely that it is virtually impossible to leave the EU - at least not at reasonable cost.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Mon 19 Nov, 2018 05:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Indeed what's striking in both the reality and in this cartoon, is the extent to which the UK is divided and the EU united over Brexit. You'd think 27 countries would struggle to present a common negotiating front, and 1 country would be easily more coherent, and yet the reverse is true.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Mon 19 Nov, 2018 02:15 pm
@Olivier5,
Madrid throws spanner in works by demanding veto on any trade deal covering Rock

The Guardian: Spain threatens to reject May's Brexit deal over Gibraltar
Gibraltar Chronicle: UK ‘will not exclude Gibraltar’ from future deal with EU
Olivier5
 
  1  
Mon 19 Nov, 2018 03:16 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Ha! I spoke too fast.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 19 Nov, 2018 03:57 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
“Negotiations between the UK and the EU do not apply to Gibraltar. Future negotiations on Gibraltar are separate negotiations,” he said.
When I visited Gibraltar many years ago, it was said at that time that if the monkeys on the rock remained, the rock will remain in UK control. What happened? https://www.newstatesman.com/gibraltar/newstatesman-gibraltar/2015/03/gibraltar-s-barbary-macaques-long-they-remain-so-will
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 12:55 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Rebels seeking to remove Theresa May risk bringing about “the most appalling chaos”, which could destabilise the country and damage Britain’s international reputation, Jeremy Hunt has said.
[...]
A fresh challenge for May came on Monday night as the Democratic Unionist party’s 10 MPs abstained and, in some cases, voted with Labour in a series of votes over the finance bill. Budget measures are covered by the confidence and supply arrangement between the Conservatives and the DUP which the prime minister needs to secure a majority.

The move appeared to be a DUP warning to May that they are not willing to support her administration if she pushes ahead with her Brexit deal, which they have vehemently rejected.
[...]
The Guardian
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 01:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/C0Y6RmYl.jpg


Wink
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