Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

@Walter Hinteler,

It is ironic that Theresa May, who herself did not support a Brexit vote in the Plebiscite, is now faced with the difficult chore of working out a practical Deal with the EU, and the intransigence of both the Conservative Advocates of it and the labor Opposition.

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@georgeob1,

May's cabinet has approved the draft Brexit deal struck by British and EU negotiators by now.

And it is reported that Ireland's envoy to the European Union told the meeting of the EU's 27 national ambassadors in Brussels that Dublin was on board with the existing draft Brexit deal.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Thanks. After all the recent acrimony I somehow didn't expect a solution to come so fast.

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@georgeob1,

The vote in Parliament is what counts more.
It is not yet clear when parliament might vote on a deal - and it's not clear, too, if some ministers resigned or will resign.
And May could face the ultimate test as junior coalition partners hint at fresh elections.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

it's not clear, too, if some ministers resigned or will resign.
And May could face the ultimate test as junior coalition partners hint at fresh elections.

According to the BBC, no minister will resign.
May will meet DUP's Arlene Foster later tonight.

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@Walter Hinteler,

In a Statement of the Brexit Steering Group the EU Parliament's Brexit negotiator Verhofstadt said said the deal "should ensure an orderly withdrawal, including a backstop guaranteeing that there will be no hardening of the Northern Irish/Irish border and that the Good Friday Agreement will be safeguarded".

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@Walter Hinteler,

According to Sky news, the cabinet's draft agreement passed on majority, with ten ministers opposing.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Juncker says the UK and EU are ready for the next stage of the Brexit process - for a special EU summit to be called.

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@Walter Hinteler,

In the UK, however, an open warfare seems about to begin.

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@Walter Hinteler,

From what I can see, this agreement basically buys us time to negotiate a trade agreement. It solves none of the issues, instead it essentially keeps the status quo until another, more permanent deal is reached. Or am I missing something?

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@Olivier5,

I guess what I was missing is that the key difference between the hard brexiters and the soft ones now boils down to the speed at which the divorce should take place: Boris and co. want a fast Brexit, while May and co. want a very slow one.

So the choice before Parliament is between a very slow train wreck and a very fast one... I advise them to chose the former, for they own safety if for nothing else.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Cdn coverage focuses almost exclusively on this

Walter Hinteler wrote:

" a backstop guaranteeing that there will be no hardening of the Northern Irish/Irish border and that the Good Friday Agreement will be safeguarded".

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Four ministers quit today:

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Brexit: Dominic Raab and Esther McVey among ministers to quit over EU agreement
15 November 2018

Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab says he quit the cabinet over "fatal flaws" in the draft Brexit agreement with the EU.

And he told the BBC the UK should be ready to risk a no-deal Brexit in the face of EU "blackmail".

Another cabinet minister, Esther McVey, also quit alongside junior ministers Suella Braverman and Shailesh Vara.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-46219495

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:
it's not clear, too, if some ministers resigned or will resign.
And May could face the ultimate test as junior coalition partners hint at fresh elections.
According to the BBC, no minister will resign.
May will meet DUP's Arlene Foster later tonight.

oopsie BBC

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@ehBeth,

I'll wait with updates ... would have been a thing in intervals of minutes today. (May's draft divorce deal with the EU was in jeopardy on today after her Brexit secretary and other ministers quit in protest and her own eurosceptic lawmakers called for her to be ousted.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Of course, the draft isn't liked in all points by all 27 EU-countries.

Criticism is sparked, for example, by the passages in the draft on the subject of fisheries. According to EU diplomats, several countries - including France, the Netherlands, Denmark, Spain and Portugal - are calling for changes to the agreement. Finland and Ireland are also said to have expressed concern. This concerns in particular access to the UK's waters rich in fish, which has not been a problem for EU states so far, as long as the applicable catch quotas have been adhered to.

While the European Union wanted to maintain this practice, the UK government wants to go its own way in fisheries in the future. The draft withdrawal agreement does not contain a final solution, but merely states that London and Brussels should agree by July 2020 - in the framework of a free trade agreement - that after the transition period EU-UK relations should be regulated.

However, if no agreement is reached by the end of the transitional phase and the so-called fall-back solution takes effect, problems could arise. The UK would then become part of a common customs territory with the EU that does not take fisheries into account.

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@Walter Hinteler,

There could still be trouble about Gibraltar.
The British overseas territory was last in the headlines in March 2017. The heads of state and government of the 27 other EU states granted a special status to the summit on Spain's south coast. According to the guidelines for the Brexit negotiations, no agreement between the EU and London could be applied to Gibraltar without Spain's consent. Since then Madrid has had a right of veto over Gibraltar. The reactions in London were outraged, prominent conservatives even hinted at wanting to wage war on Gibraltar if necessary.

Now the topic is boiling up again, as became clear at a meeting of EU ambassadors in Brussels on Wednesday. As "SPIEGEL" learned from several participants, the Spanish representative vehemently demanded improvements to the Brexit agreement because of Gibraltar.

The government in Gibraltar says officially: "The Gibraltar Government is of the view that the deal that has been concluded is far better for Gibraltar than crashing out of the European Union in four months time without an agreement."
Gibraltar’s Chief Minister Fabian Picardo, however, admitted that if the UK Parliament voted down the agreement and left no alternative but a "no deal" things could get bad for Gibraltar, where 96 percent voted to remain in the EU. (Gibraltar Chronicle)

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@Walter Hinteler,

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46228454

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EU leaders have dismissed talk of renegotiating the draft Brexit deal and warned the UK's political situation could make a "no-deal" more likely.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said there was "no question" of reopening talks as a document was "on the table".

Meanwhile French PM Edouard Philippe said there was a need to prepare for a no-deal because of UK "uncertainty".

The EU has set out a series of meetings leading up to 25 November when it plans to approve the Brexit agreement.

However leaders admit that there is still much ground to cover after the UK Prime Minister Theresa May won backing on Wednesday from her cabinet for the 585-page draft agreement.

"We still have a long road ahead of us on both sides," the EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said.

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@ehBeth,

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10A81/production/_104352286_brexit_timeline_nov_2018_640-nc.png

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46192884

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