Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

@Walter Hinteler,

There has not been a questionair about the EU membership of Turkey since 2011
and at that time 59% of Europeans were against it. It waried from country to country and 78% of the Germans were against it.
Finland 71%, Denmark 66% and Sweden 44%
I do not think the Turks will arrive in thousands - nor do I think Turks are more criminal or anything like that,
Turkey is not on the European continent so why should it be in EU which is a European Union?
I wonder if the refugees has made a differenc on that question.

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@saab,

Turkey began its EU accession talks in 2005 ("knocking at the door" since 1963 when it became an associate member of the then European Economic Community [EEC]), but progress has been very slow due to a range of issues including its human rights record, the Kurds and Cyprus.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I know Turkey started the talks about membership in 2005.
It does not make any difference - it still is not a European country and never was and never will as it is not situated on the European continent.
You cannot call it a Europaen Union if Turkey gets in. Then it is an Eurasian Union.
The other countries around Mediterrainen Sea have the right to get in too they will feel.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Quote:

BRITAIN’S TOP 10 EUROSCEPTIC PLACES
By examining responses to a question on voting intention in a Brexit referendum, and combining this with information on respondents’ and constituencies’ demographics, Chris Hanretty at East Anglia University produced estimates of the percentage of respondents in each constituency who would favour leaving the EU.

THE 10 MOST EUROSCEPTIC CONSTITUENCIES

1 Clacton (Essex)
2 Castle Point (Essex)
3 Great Yarmouth
4 Christchurch (Dorset)
5 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
6 Boston and Skegness
7 South Holland and The Deepings (Lincolnshire)
8 North East Cambridgeshire
9 Waveney (Suffolk)
10 Aldridge-Brownhills (Staffordshire)

Source: Brexit Britain: ‘Foreign boats catch fish in our waters and then ship it back to us’

Regarding fishery: the "European Union" is a member of the Northwest Atlantic Fisheries Organization since 1978,.
The North East Atlantic Fisheries Commission was founded in 1980 (before it was the North-East Atlantic Fisheries Convention (1959) by the EU and a couple of other countries fishing in the relevant region.

I vividly remember the troubles with Dutch and Belgian fisher boats along the (German) East-Frisian coastline and with English boats around Heligoland in the 70's (our boat acted as a fishery guard ship then).

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@Walter Hinteler,

Source

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@Walter Hinteler,

In my view, the argumentation (to leave or to stay) gets more and more desperate. And becomes more and more totally untue.

This morning, in the Andrew Marr Show, Penny Mordaunt, the armed forces minister, said the UK "does not" have a veto over the decision to allow new states such as Turkey to accede to the EU – despite it being a key part of the Treaty of the European Union (Article 49 of the EU treaty, on countries applying to become a new member of the union, states: "The applicant shall address its application to the Council, which shall act unanimously ... ....")

In the interview, Mordaunt described the campaign to remain as an "establishment stitch-up". What irony: she's minister within the Government.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Several English have asked other EU representativs to tell and answer questions on a neutral basis about EU. Something which really would be needed at this point.
Up til end of April one single country out of 27 did this and took a tour of GB to tell and answer questions.
Afterwards some who arrived being for out, went out being for in. That shows how important it was.
Not even a German representative did something. It would have been very important as some British and also Danish people have the impression that Merkel runs EU and being from the older generation they certainly do not like it.

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@saab,

I don't get the sense of your above post.

The EU Referendum is about "British sovereignty", even opinions of others from outside the UK were ridiculed and critised. I don't think that foreigners should get involved in the referendum campaigns personally, at the place.

Questions and answers can be found at various places in the UK and outside, from the actual laws and facts to brochures about tit and tat.

But when you notice that even government ministers don't get the most simple facts correct ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

But when you notice that even government ministers don't get the most simple facts correct ...

This >NHS chief says Brexit would be dangerous for health service< is about an interview in the above mentioned Marr show today.

In this context: the UK-forces don't run military hospitals in Germany but have specialised wards in five German hospitals.
Their families are registered with the NHS. These five German Provider Hospitals provide hospital care for military families in Germany because the Guy's & St Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust (Germany) Ltd acts here similar as our mandatory health insurance companies.Additonally, there are a couple of GP's 'selected' by the British forces as family doctors. (They can go to any other doctor's practise and/or hospital as well, though)

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David Cameron suggests defence minister is lying over Turkey joining EU

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“The fact that the leave campaign are getting things as straightforward as this wrong should call into judgment the bigger argument about leaving the EU.” He said out campaigners were trying to persuade people to vote for Brexit solely on the back of an issue “that is not true”.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Do you really think it is only in UK that government ministers don´t get simple facts correct? That´s the way it is in other countries and in EU.
So how are the media a normal citizen getting the correct facts?

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@saab,

saab wrote:

Do you really think it is only in UK that government ministers don´t get simple facts correct? That´s the way it is in other countries and in EU.

It certainly can be that some ministers somewhere don't know the relevant EU-articles when speaking about them. This would prove a lot.

I sincerely doubt that such is the case with EU-commissioners (which is the equivalent to national ministers. Do you have an example of it?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Actually, what Ms Mordaunt had said was really flat out lying" or "totally wrong" (as the PM called it). [And it happened actually three times within that interview.]

De Gaulle accused Britain of a "deep-seated hostility" towards European construction - that's why he twice opposed the UK's entry to the EEC (1963 and 1967), using the forerunner law of article 49.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Of course you cannot trust those guys.
We have to think about reducing CO2 that´s what they say and on the same time EU is moving back and forth between Brussels and Strassbourg. Polluting enourmous.
Junker was going to clean up in the EU tax jungle - and at the same time made Luxemburg a taxheaven.
How many years did it take until it was ok to have a contra EU political party in EU? Years.
The last 10 years EU has come up with 18 000 new laws. Do you really believe that those guys know about them? How do you think they sell them to the 28 countries ? Certainly not by telling the truth and the full truth.

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@saab,

I didn't post the above about general laws or "moving back and forth" but about what the UK's government minister said about Turkey and the UK wasn't able to veto that.

She said so three times within a couple of minutes, even after having pointed at at the relevant article.
That wasn't about some thousand laws but about an article in the Lisbon Treaty .... she herself made as topic.

And generally: I really think that someone should know the basics about what he/she is talking. Especially, when those basics are just a few sentences.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I agree that one should know the basic

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@saab,

Splashed in large letters across the Vote Leave battlebus are the words: "We send the EU £350m a week." Boris Johnson has repeated it often, most recently in his Telegraph column this week.

This is at best misleading, and at worst wrong.
(Deduct both the rebate (£4.9bn), which is never actually paid, and the money that is paid but sent back from the gross £17.8bn annual "membership fee" (£5.8bn), you get a net figure of £7.1bn. This equates to £136m a week, less than 40% of the amount splashed on the Vote Leave battlebus.)

Source: infacts.org, Professor Iain Begg (LSE).

The head of the UK Statistics Authority, Sir Andrew Dilnott, has concluded in a letter to Vote Leave (>here< (pdf)) that he considers "the use of the £350m figure, which appears to be a gross figure which does not take into account the rebate, or other flows from the EU to the UK … to be potentially misleading."

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@Walter Hinteler,

Quote:

As historians of Britain and of Europe, we believe that Britain has had in the past, and will have in the future, an irreplaceable role to play in Europe. On 23 June, we face a choice: to cast ourselves adrift, condemning ourselves to irrelevance and Europe to division and weakness; or to reaffirm our commitment to the EU and stiffen the cohesion of our continent in a dangerous world.

Letter, signed by 300 UK historians

Vote to leave EU would 'condemn Britain to irrelevance', say historians

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A few EU countries are much richer than the majority. These countries pay in more than they get back from EU. That is ok as long as I personally has a good income and can see it is ok. When I have to live on a very small income it seems damn unfair that other countries do get part of my money.

It seems ok to complain about taxes and how they are used in ones own country. As soon as a person start complaining about the costs of EU which is an anynomous giant they get told off by pro EU people.

United Kingdom belongs to EU and will do EU good, but it would also do good if France and Germany stopped some of their snubbing UK and looking down at it.
It would do EU good if we got rid of Junker who seems like a person I would not buy a used car from. Just take a look at Luxembourg and his tax ideas.

Merkel gives the impression she is running the whole circus. That certainly sends out the wrong signals. This of course does not give anybody the right to compare her to Nazi Germany as the Greeks did. She is an absolutely correct person a good politician - but sometimes too good for her own best.

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@saab,

Was just reading a blog in Jylland Posten and 43 letters to the editor.
Some of these letters were from the same person as they can answer one another.
Of these 43 letter not one single one had something nice to say about EU.
This does not mean it has to do with the Danes in general, but has to do with Danes.
Just a few things:
EU is marching to its end...
EU is killing itself - and knowsabout it and even want it
EU does not care about history, culture and understanding for others
EU - this mentioned by several - is the world´s largest criminal syndicat, gangsters, Italy´s gangsters could learn from them
EU wants refugees and war so they can sell weapons to the fighting countries.
EU wants refugees so they can make money on what they need - like housing clothing etc.
EU malipunated the election in Austria.

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