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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 1 Aug, 2017 05:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Up to 20 new agencies to be launched outside London to takeover tasks previously done in Brussels
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The Government has promised to establish up to 20 public agencies in cities outside London to take on new work running the country after Brexit.

Ministers say the agencies will be needed to deal with administrative tasks being moved from Brussels to the UK and will provide new careers for people living outside the capital.

The move could also save the public purse money with a lower cost of doing business, in particular around property prices, in the UK’s regions.
It follows an ongoing row over the Government's plan to leave the EU's atomic agency amid claims it could risk the country's power supply and access to life-saving medical treatments.

Cabinet Office Minister Chris Skidmore said among new offices established will be those required to run regulatory regimes currently under the watch of Brussels.

In an interview with Civil Service World, he said: “There are several organisations that will be created through Brexit.

“You’re looking at 20 plus public bodies being created through Brexit – and the commitment there is getting those outside of London.”

Mr Skidmore argued moving public sector organisations outside of the south east would benefit social mobility and give young people in other areas a new kind of career to aspire to.

He said: “Actually getting those public organisations, whether it is the UK Statistics Authority in Newport or whether it is the Local Government Ombudsman in Coventry, [outside London] is not just about saving money.

“It is about giving people something to aspire to and to know that the Government is in their area.”

He said fellow Cabinet Office Minister Caroline Nokes, who has responsibility for government property, would make formal announcements in due course.

The Conservative manifesto pledged to relocate “significant numbers” of public sector workers to new administrative centres across the country.

But the the decision to leave some EU agencies has led to warnings that British sectors currently regulated by Brussels could be put at risk, such as the energy industry.

The Government has faced criticism for its decision to leave Euratom amid claims it could risk the UK's energy supply, while doctors have argued it may make it harder to access cancer treatments relying on radioactive material.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 1 Aug, 2017 07:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Majority of older Leave voters say significant economic damage is 'price worth paying', finds YouGov
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A huge majority of older Leave voters say significant damage to the British economy is a “price worth paying” to secure Brexit, research shows.

No fewer than 71 per cent of over-65s are willing for the country to take a big economic hit – and half would accept a member of their own family losing their job.

The so-called “Brexit extremism”, uncovered by the pollsters YouGov, also extends to younger Leave voters, but only to a minority of them.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 1 Aug, 2017 10:11 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Nineteen EU-countries have officially lodged an application to host the European Medicines Agency, once the UK leaves the bloc in March 2019.
Eight are chasing the European Banking Authority.

Only Estonia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Hungary, Lithuania and Latvia have decided not to bother.

From slick to risible: the bids for London's EU agencies are unveiled
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 3 Aug, 2017 11:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Brexit gets royal assent, as Princess Di has beyond-grave doubts over EU:
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One of Princess Diana's closest confidantes has revealed how the late royal still speaks to her from beyond the grave almost 20 years after her death.  
Simone Simmons from London, an alternative healer and trusted friend of the Princess, met her at the Hale Clinic - an alternative medicine centre - and became a member of her inner circle, often talking on the phone for up to 10 hours.
And she still hears Diana's voice speaking to her, holding forth on everything from her beloved sons and their love lives to Brexit. 
[...]
The royal has also opened up to her about politics and urged her friend to vote for Brexit to restore the UK to its former glory, because she loved the country so much. 
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Source
So there you have it. No-one should going to stand in the way of what Princess Diana wants!
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lmur
 
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Mon 7 Aug, 2017 12:29 pm
Negotiations not going well, according to former top UK diplomat:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0807/895735-brexit-negotiations/
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 8 Aug, 2017 06:29 am
@lmur,
Why are judges worried about the ECJ's post-Brexit role?
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The country’s most senior judge has called for government guidance amid fears over legal precedents and the status of long-running cases

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Wouldn’t it be simpler to maintain a role for European courts?

Unfortunately, this a political red line for Theresa May. The prime minister has made clear she regards an entirely independent judicial system as a major prize of Brexit. The government has also adopted further red lines which clash with the EU negotiating demands. “The UK does not consider that the ECJ should remain competent to rule on cases on which it has not been seized before the day of withdrawal, even where the facts arose before withdrawal,” said the position paper. This freedom, argues the government, is a “position consistent with international legal precedent, placing the UK in the same position as all other third countries”. Except, of course, that those other countries have not spent the last four decades intimately entwining their legal systems together.
georgeob1
 
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Tue 8 Aug, 2017 09:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I expect the question here is 'simpler for whom'? The UK apparently wishes to restore its self-rule as a sovereign state. Whatever remains in terms of pending legal cases can mostly be resolved during the transition period, if those involved have the will to do so. In the few remaining cases the courts can handle the specific issues on a cooperative individual basis.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 8 Aug, 2017 10:50 am
@georgeob1,
Well, but as Lord Neuberger’s intervention shows, it may be impossible to shake off the reach of the ECJ, however much the government tries.
georgeob1
 
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Tue 8 Aug, 2017 12:06 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Not impossible at all. All the UK must do is reject the court's jurisdiction. The "Lord Neuberger's" of the world have no permanent standing in the matter at all.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 8 Aug, 2017 12:15 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Not impossible at all. All the UK must do is reject the court's jurisdiction.
Of cours they could shout "April, April ... we fooled you ..."

georgeob1 wrote:
The "Lord Neuberger's" of the world have no permanent standing in the matter at all.
Life tenure (until mandatory retirement at age 70) ...
georgeob1
 
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Tue 8 Aug, 2017 12:36 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
My point was that Lord Neuberger (or any other sitting judge) can request guidance anytime they choose, however they cannot refuse to hear matters brought before their courts. They have no authority to make the law or create jurisdiction where the parliament doesn't allow it.
centrox
 
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Tue 8 Aug, 2017 01:08 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
They have no authority to make the law or create jurisdiction where the parliament doesn't allow it.


There are various landmark decisions that suggest that judges can make law. Judges certainly change the law and presumably this therefore means that they make the law. Statutes are not always something totally new – they can be amending or repealing an existing law. For example, the principle of Wednesbury irrationality. In a case in 1948 involving Wednesbury borough council a judge ruled that if something was so absurd that, ‘no reasonable person who had applied his mind could have arrived at it’ then it was legally void. This in a sense created a new law.

Under English law a man could not be found guilty of the rape of his wife because of the legal principle of one flesh. A man was convicted of raping his spouse in 1992 and his appeal in 1995 was dismissed. This effectively changed the law. The European Court of Human Rights also dismissed his appeal.
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centrox
 
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Wed 9 Aug, 2017 03:46 pm
Look what I found...


ossobucotemp
 
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Wed 9 Aug, 2017 03:57 pm
@centrox,
good work...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 07:42 am
@ossobucotemp,
While waiting for the new (?) position papers of the UK's government ...

Brexit campaigners launch bid to oust pro-EU finance minister
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LONDON (Reuters) - One of the most vocal pro-Brexit campaign groups launched a campaign on Monday to oust finance minister Philip Hammond from parliament, saying he is part of a plot to stop Britain leaving the European Union.

Divisions over Britain's Brexit strategy have resurfaced after Prime Minister Theresa May lost her parliamentary majority in an ill-judged snap election in June, generating renewed political pressure from some quarters for a softer exit.

Hammond has led calls for a multi-year, staggered break from the EU in the name of protecting the British economy, much to the annoyance of some Brexiteers who want a more decisive divorce when Britain's membership ends in March 2019.

That has put Hammond in the crosshairs of campaign group Leave.EU, whose grassroots organization helped bring about last year's referendum vote to leave the bloc.

"He is part of a cabal of Westminster MPs (Members of Parliament) who believe that if they can delay exit, they can overturn the wishes of the 52 percent who despite threats from the political classes drew upon the courage of their conviction at the ballot box," said Leave.EU Chairman Arron Banks in a letter to voters in Hammond's constituency.

There is no automatic means for voters to get rid of their local member of parliament outside of an election period, and Britain is not scheduled to hold another vote until 2022.

But Leave.EU called on their supporters to pressure the local Conservative Party not to select him as their candidate at the next election. The group has also targeted interior minister Amber Rudd, who only won her seat by a slim majority in June.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 07:42 am
@ossobucotemp,
While waiting for the new (?) position papers of the UK's government ...

Brexit campaigners launch bid to oust pro-EU finance minister
Quote:
LONDON (Reuters) - One of the most vocal pro-Brexit campaign groups launched a campaign on Monday to oust finance minister Philip Hammond from parliament, saying he is part of a plot to stop Britain leaving the European Union.

Divisions over Britain's Brexit strategy have resurfaced after Prime Minister Theresa May lost her parliamentary majority in an ill-judged snap election in June, generating renewed political pressure from some quarters for a softer exit.

Hammond has led calls for a multi-year, staggered break from the EU in the name of protecting the British economy, much to the annoyance of some Brexiteers who want a more decisive divorce when Britain's membership ends in March 2019.

That has put Hammond in the crosshairs of campaign group Leave.EU, whose grassroots organization helped bring about last year's referendum vote to leave the bloc.

"He is part of a cabal of Westminster MPs (Members of Parliament) who believe that if they can delay exit, they can overturn the wishes of the 52 percent who despite threats from the political classes drew upon the courage of their conviction at the ballot box," said Leave.EU Chairman Arron Banks in a letter to voters in Hammond's constituency.

There is no automatic means for voters to get rid of their local member of parliament outside of an election period, and Britain is not scheduled to hold another vote until 2022.

But Leave.EU called on their supporters to pressure the local Conservative Party not to select him as their candidate at the next election. The group has also targeted interior minister Amber Rudd, who only won her seat by a slim majority in June.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 15 Aug, 2017 03:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It seems that the government still wants the cake and eat it:
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David Davis has put Britain on a collision course with Brussels by insisting on the right to sign other trade deals from day one after Brexit – while remaining in a customs union.

The Brexit Secretary insisted the Government would “negotiate and sign” agreements once EU withdrawal is completed, whatever the nature of any transitional period after 2019.

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Source

The Guardian: UK may have to pay EU in temporary customs union, Davis suggests
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 15 Aug, 2017 03:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

It seems that the government still wants the cake and eat it:
Quote:
David Davis has put Britain on a collision course with Brussels by insisting on the right to sign other trade deals from day one after Brexit – while remaining in a customs union.

The Brexit Secretary insisted the Government would “negotiate and sign” agreements once EU withdrawal is completed, whatever the nature of any transitional period after 2019.

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Source


The Guardian: UK may have to pay EU in temporary customs union, Davis suggests
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Britain may have to pay the EU to participate in a temporary customs union after leaving the bloc, the Brexit secretary has suggested.

In a round of broadcast interviews, David Davis confirmed the government would use a position paper published on Tuesday to propose for a “shortish” period a deal allowing the transit of goods across borders to continue under a temporary customs union.

Such an arrangement would be in the common interests of the UK and Europe, he said. “We sell them about €230bn of goods and services a year. They sell us €290bn,” Davis told ITV’s Good Morning Britain.

But asked whether the UK would have to pay to stay in the customs union, he said: “What happens in that sort of interim period you will have to leave me to negotiate, I’m afraid. But the aim is to bring to an end these £10bn-a-year payments.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 15 Aug, 2017 06:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Updated:
UK will 'mirror' much of EU customs system for Brexit, plans reveal
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Britain expects to “mirror” much of the existing EU customs system both during and after Brexit, according to new government plans that could prevent Liam Fox’s immediate ability to implement new trade deals.

This first detailed look at Whitehall’s negotiating strategy also reveals new reporting requirements for businesses as a way to minimise delays at international borders and avoid the need to build extra physical infrastructure.

David Davis, the Brexit secretary said the approach would avoid a “cliff-edge for businesses and individuals”, but Guy Verhofstadt, the European parliament’s Brexit coordinator, immediately poured cold water on the proposals, describing them as a “fantasy”.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 06:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
PM May today said that people of Northern Ireland who are Irish citizens will remain EU citizens - that certainly will anger Remainers in other parts of the UK.

More here: Northern Irish will still get EU citizens' rights, Government reveals
 

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