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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Mon 17 Jul, 2017 11:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Perhaps the EU negotiators were demonstrating (or merely manifesting) the bureaucratic obsessions that often appear to be the foundation of EU governance.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 17 Jul, 2017 12:43 pm
@georgeob1,
Well, I suppose that the UK's negotiators are fit as a fiddle about what they want while those on the EU-side really have to look up those thousands of laws and regulations which have to be talked about. (Can't understand the uproar about it in the UK and social media) Wink
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 17 Jul, 2017 01:08 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
http://i.imgur.com/9J3hT0W.jpg
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georgeob1
 
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Mon 17 Jul, 2017 01:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I'll concede that there seems to have been more impulse and visceral reaction than thoughtful analysis in the UK process so far, however, to some degree that is understandable for a party that wants an exit. My hope is that the parties involved will not allow pique and retribution to mar the transition to what follows ..... for both parties.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 17 Jul, 2017 01:45 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
...a party that wants an exit ...
The best data I've found is that of Conservatives 58% voted leave, 42% remain.

I do understand that it is difficult to balance all the various opinions from the Welsh and Scottish governments over the fishing industry to farmers and the food industry (just to name a few problematic areas).
But at least, in my opinion, the government itself should have a plan by now,more than one years after the referendum. Not to speak about the the different opinions within the cabinet, lower ranked ministers, the civil service ...
oralloy
 
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Tue 18 Jul, 2017 06:15 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
A second referendum is neither wanted by the governing Conservatives nor by the majority of the opposition parties.

As I said, everyone involved has gone crazy. People who know it is in their best interests to avoid this calamity are dead set on causing it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 18 Jul, 2017 07:19 am
The author of Article 50 has called for Brexit to be halted, warning that the “disastrous consequences” of Britain's decision to leave the bloc are becoming "clearer every day".

John Olav Kerr, Baron Kerr of Kinlochard is one of more than 60 prominent figures in Scotland who signed a joint letter saying that Brexit has seriously damaged the UK's international reputation.

The peer, who was Britain’s permanent representative at the EU for five years from 1990, said when he wrote Article 50 – the clause in the EU’s Lisbon Treaty that outlines the steps a country must take to leave the bloc voluntarily – he believed it would only ever be triggered by a dictatorial regime.

The letter, published in The Herald , also called for a "UK-wide debate about calling a halt to the process".
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 18 Jul, 2017 01:53 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
'City will have to launch Brexit plans if there is no transitional deal'
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Major City firms will start implementing their Brexit contingency plans at the end of the year unless there is an agreement about the UK’s transition terms for exit from the EU, according to the City regulator.

Financial Conduct Authority chief executive Andrew Bailey said City firms were getting near to the point where they would have to take to take steps to move staff and other measures to ensure that they can continue to operate seamlessly once the UK leaves the EU in March 2019.

He made his remarks amid expectations that Wall Street firm Citi will announce that Frankfurt is to become its key hub in the EU. The bank employs 9,000 people in the UK, and its senior management revealed in January that they were using 25 criteria to help them decide which financial centre to chose for its EU centre.
[...]
The Bank of England called on hundreds of City firms to submit their Brexit plans by 14 July, and Bailey is warning that they may have to be implemented at the end of this year if they are to have enough time to complete their preparations.

“By the end of this year, their plans tell them that in order to have things in place, they’ve got to implement them,” said Bailey. Without a transition agreement, they will be having to do so without knowing the outcome of the negotiations. Firms were not moving their business yet, he said, but they were talking “more in terms of getting there”.

Last week, Barclays said it talking to regulators in Dublin to discuss expansion, while JP Morgan has also been discussing plans with regulators in the Irish capital. HSBC has warned it could move 1,000 staff from London to Paris.
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Foofie
 
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Tue 18 Jul, 2017 02:01 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

...I do understand that it is difficult to balance all the various opinions from the Welsh and Scottish governments over the fishing industry to farmers and the food industry (just to name a few problematic areas)...


What about the concern to not be part of some future European military force? I thought that future possibility was mused by some EU pundits? Regardless, isn't there some belief that the EU is an evolving organization? Apparently, not all British identify with that type of evolving organization? It might just be expecting too much for a Europe where France, Germany and Britain are the keystones for Europe. Even in grade school there are different classes, reflecting a closer academic level of the classes' students. No?

Perhaps, Brexit comes down to the reticence of Britain to be responsible for a Europe with such a diverse "economic bellcurve"?

Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 18 Jul, 2017 02:28 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
What about the concern to not be part of some future European military force? I thought that future possibility was mused by some EU pundits?
That was a topic during the pre-referndum period in the UK?
Anyway, UK's Lieutenant General David Leakey was the Director General of the EU Military Staff from 2007 till 2010, and the now Deputy Director General of the EUMS is Rear Admiral Bruce Williams from the UK.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 18 Jul, 2017 11:10 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Britain's secret Brexit weapon, William and Kate, are visiting Germany with their children, George and Charlotte.

As popular figures from the royal family, William and Kate have taken on the role of "Brexit ambassadors".
They were both in France last March.
Their new European tour started in Poland on July 17 and 18.
They will be in Berlin today, in Heidelberg tomorrow and finally in Hamburg on July 21.

Olivier5
 
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Tue 18 Jul, 2017 11:17 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Poor kids.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 19 Jul, 2017 12:12 pm
UK threatens to return radioactive waste to EU without nuclear dea
Quote:
Britain has warned the EU that it could return boatloads of radioactive waste back to the continent if the Brexit talks fail to deliver an agreement on nuclear regulation.

In what is being taken in Brussels as a thinly veiled threat, a paper setting out the UK position for the negotiations stresses the right “to return radioactive waste … to its country of origin” should negotiations collapse.

The UK paper, detailing the British government’s hopes for future cooperation once it leaves the Euratom treaty, at the same time as leaving the EU, further stresses the “strong mutual interest in ensuring close cooperation in the future”.
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Britain has signalled that while it is leaving the Euraotom treaty, of which it has been a member since 1957, it wants to continue to cooperate on nuclear regulation after the UK leaves the union in March 2019. The treaty regulates the civilian use of atomic technology and critics of the government’s position fear there is a threat of disruption to UK supplies of nuclear reactor parts, fuel and medical isotopes vital for the treatment of cancer if a new agreement outside membership of the EU is not reached.
... ... ...
The EU insist, however, that such cooperation on nuclear regulation would require the UK to recognise the jurisdiction of the European court of justice, which is a red line for Theresa May.

EU diplomats told the FT that they had noted the veiled threat on nuclear waste. One reportedly joked that they would have “the coastguard ready”.

The UK Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy told the paper, however, that negotiations would focus on the “legal ownership not physical location” of nuclear materials. What happens to materials once ownership has been settled “will be a matter for the owner and the UK to agree on commercial terms,” the Whitehall department added.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 19 Jul, 2017 01:07 pm
@saab,
I didn't twist anything, but you did. Why isn't the United States the country of equality? Our Constitution states it is. Discrimination is against the law. What is it that you fail to understand?
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Foofie
 
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Wed 19 Jul, 2017 01:51 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
What about the concern to not be part of some future European military force? I thought that future possibility was mused by some EU pundits?
That was a topic during the pre-referndum period in the UK?
Anyway, UK's Lieutenant General David Leakey was the Director General of the EU Military Staff from 2007 till 2010, and the now Deputy Director General of the EUMS is Rear Admiral Bruce Williams from the UK.


Non-sequiturs to my wondering if Brexit might also reflect a concern for a future EU military conscription. You know that the future is not now, and not the past.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 20 Jul, 2017 08:16 am
Today is the closing day of the first substantive week of Brexit talks:
EU calls on UK to urgently make offer on divorce bill
EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, says he needs to know what Britain is willing to pay before talks can move forward ... ... ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 20 Jul, 2017 08:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,

Britons living in Europe could lose right to live in another EU country
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British people living in the European Union could lose the right to live in another EU member state after Brexit, it emerged at the end of talks in Brussels.

British officials raised the issue with their European counterparts during three-and-a-half days of intense technical talks on Brexit. The EU made clear it would not move without a reciprocal offer for European nationals living in Britain that would allow them to move to another EU country and return to the UK.

The discussions underscore the uncertainty facing nearly 5 million people caught on the wrong side of the Brexit divide, although both the UK and the EU have made citizens’ rights a top priority in Brexit negotiations.

Around 1.2 million British nationals living in the EU would be affected, meaning, for example, a British national currently living in Germany would be unable to move to France, Austria or any other EU member state after Brexit. The outcome could be seen as counter to the EU’s stated aim of allowing citizens to live their lives “as if Brexit never happened”.

Senior EU officials said they were ready to look at the issue, but the UK had to make a reciprocal offer to protect the 3.5m EU nationals living in the UK, to allow, for example, a German resident in Manchester to return to their home country for a few years and then resume life in the UK.

A UK source close to the negotiations said there was agreement on 50% of the issues on citizens’ rights.

“But we still have doubts about the EU’s plans and their commitment to upholding citizens’ rights,” the source added. “The UK has put a serious offer on the table, but there are significant gaps in the EU’s offer.”

The British government has proposed “settled status” for EU nationals, but this would be lost if a person left the UK for more than two years, unless they could prove they had strong ties.

The EU is seeking an open-ended guarantee that would allow European citizens to resettle in Britain after an indefinite period living in another country.
ehBeth
 
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Thu 20 Jul, 2017 09:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,
really. how can that be news.
they won't be part of the EU. why should they get EU rights?
dóh
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ehBeth
 
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Thu 20 Jul, 2017 09:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
British people living in the European Union could lose the right to live in another EU member state after Brexit, it emerged at the end of talks in Brussels.


The EU is seeking an open-ended guarantee that would allow European citizens to resettle in Britain after an indefinite period living in another country.


I know that both sides are looking for negotiation hooks but some of this just looks stupid
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ossobucotemp
 
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Thu 20 Jul, 2017 12:38 pm
@Olivier5,
I look french language quotes up, interested of course, and usually they evaporate in my brain pan from too fast a consideration.

On the other hand, we used to like french movies, back in my movie theater going days. What name am I trying to remember, right this minute? Ah, Jeanne Moreau, woman with later somewhat baggy eyes, great actress, such movies...

That is because we went to a now defunct but sort of revered-in-memorium old movie theater, maybe ten blocks from our house, and literally feasted for years on the world's great movies, for then $1.50 to enter, often going twice a week. That was the Fox Venice.

In a way, that theater and its movies from all over the place and different times of film making were part of my learning.
 

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