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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jul, 2017 08:40 pm
Several European countries aren't signed on as members, but aren't singled out for crappy trading policies.

The way Germany et al would like to treat England is shitty and hypocritical.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:01 am
Divorce bill ... The European court of justice ... Citizens’ rights to move ... Criminal record checks ... Documentation ... Ehic card

The Guardian sums up the different views of the UK and the EU about these subjects:
Brexit talks: the key dividing lines between Britain and the EU
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:51 am
@Lash,
The way the UK has treated the EU was shitty and suicidal.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jul, 2017 02:39 am
As already posted earlier, EasyJett will form EasyJet Europe, operating from Vienna along its U.K. and Swiss operations. EasyJet will shift registrations for 110 of its planes to the new unit, representing about 42 percent of its fleet.

Now Ryanair wants to flood continental EU with tens of additional aircraft in case of a hard Brexit.
If there isn't a new airline agreement between the UK and the EU until September 2018, Ryanair will cancel many flights to and from England from summer 2019 onwards, Ryanair's sales chief David O'Brien announced in a conversation with the Süddeutsche Zeitung. 85 planes stationed in England then will be distributed to the 72 Ryanair bases in continental Europe and Ireland.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jul, 2017 03:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Is this the Brexit banking exodus Theresa May told us couldn’t happen?
Quote:
[...]Morgan Stanley joins Standard Chartered and Nomura, both of which also picked Frankfurt as a new EU base, and JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs, which are moving jobs out of London to various other centres. Morgan Stanley’s asset management arm is to relocate to Dublin, as several European cities woo jittery banks that will not hang around to see what final deal is hammered out between the UK and Europe before they start looking elsewhere. A competition to host the UK’s bankers post-Brexit would have as its slogan: “Better in than out.”
[...]
The question isn’t if Brexit is going to damage the UK’s financial services industry. It is how bad will that damage be.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jul, 2017 03:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
A former judge on the European Court of Justice (ECJ) from the UK tells DW in an interview that the Brexit talks could end with the UK crashing out of the EU with no deal.

Ex-ECJ judge on Brexit: Talk in the UK is misleading

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DW: Can you explain why the ECJ is such a bone of contention in the Brexit negotiations.

Sir David Edward: No I can't. To be honest I think it's partly due to confusion between the ECJ and the Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. They're both referred to as the European court. And the court in Strasbourg has made a number of decisions adverse to the UK which some parliamentarians at any rate considered to be an intrusion on domestic autonomy. For example there is a case where more than once the court has held that the British policy of refusing a vote to all prisoners is contrary to the Convention on Human Rights. And that is thought to be an intrusion on British sovereignty. There have been cases where the ECJ has held that British immigration policy is incompatible with EU law, which offends that particular section of the Conservative Party and particularly Mrs. May as she was home secretary [at the time]. Part of the origin is just the cry that we don't want to be ruled by foreign judges, entirely overlooking the fact that there is always a British judge in the court and the British have always had an advocate general in the ECJ.

And I think particularly in England there is a belief that the English common law is superior to other any other system of law and therefore to be told what to do by anybody else is not acceptable.

That's a pretty damning indictment if you say that members of Theresa May's cabinet don't actually understand the difference. Would that include the prime minister herself?

I think it does. For example the talk about ending the jurisdiction of the ECJ in the United Kingdom is misleading. The ECJ only has jurisdiction to decide cases that are properly brought before it. It's not to say that the ECJ has jurisdiction in the United Kingdom. It has jurisdiction to answer questions put to it by the judges of the United Kingdom and it also has jurisdiction in cases where the commission brings a case against the United Kingdom under the rules dealing with failure to fulfill EU obligations. But it doesn't have jurisdiction in the same sense as a Supreme Court or indeed any British court does.

... ... ...
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jul, 2017 05:58 am
@ossobucotemp,
Quote:
we went to a now defunct but sort of revered-in-memorium old movie theater, maybe ten blocks from our house, and literally feasted for years on the world's great movies, for then $1.50 to enter, often going twice a week. That was the Fox Venice.

Sounds like an interesting premise for a movie... :-)

Seen this one? Perhaps the best movie ever made about movies, and the theatres that show them.
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jul, 2017 06:14 am
@Olivier5,
Long time ago..
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jul, 2017 10:38 am
Teams working on future rights of EU citizens in UK and Britons in Europe are still to resolve 22 of 44 issues under discussion

EU and Britain fail to reach agreement on half of issues in Brexit talks
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A detailed colour-coded document reveals there is agreement on 22 “green areas” but fundamental disagreements on 14 “red” issues and a further eight “amber” areas that need further clarification.

Among the red-light issues in the document, which is dated 19 June, is the UK’s requirement for “self-sufficient” citizens such as stay-at-home parents and students to have private health insurance or comprehensive sickness insurance (CSI).

Theresa May said this would no longer be required in her official proposal to the EU in June, but it remains sticking point, according to the working paper.

“Some areas marked green, eg CSI ... or freedom of movement for Brits in the EU are puzzling. Is this a mistake, an oversight?” asked Anne-Laure Donskoy, chair of the 3million group campaigning for the rights to EU citizens in the UK.

... ... ... [document in link]
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:20 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Several hundred banks and companies have contacted German authorities about expanding in Frankfurt, as the city vies to become the EU’s principle financial centre after Brexit.

Banks and companies plan expansion in Frankfurt after Brexit
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jul, 2017 08:18 pm
@Olivier5,
I've seen Cinema Paradiso several times, and I'll likely do so again. A lovely story about growing up and the flow of time. I particularly liked the musical score for it. One of Ennio Morricone's best - among many others
Kolyo
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jul, 2017 02:15 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Several European countries aren't signed on as members, but aren't singled out for crappy trading policies.

The way Germany et al would like to treat England is shitty and hypocritical.


Lash, the Europeans in this thread do infuriate me when they seem to gloat over Britain's misfortunes or call for Brits to be "punished", but I will say one thing for the European side of the argument.

The Brits, IMO, are the ones being hypocritical in the arguments on trade. They say they still want free trade with Europe, but if they get to sell goods to Europe without restriction, then why don't Europeans get to sell labor services to Britain without restriction? Unrestricted trade in labor services means that everyone in the customs union be allowed to travel to Britain to work if there is work available. The Brits may complain that foreigners are "putting people out of work", but Romanians could just as reasonably complain that British businesses are putting their local firms out of business, and thus putting Romanians out of work.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jul, 2017 06:57 am
@ossobucotemp,
ossobucotemp wrote:

Long time ago..

Me too. I'm gona look for the DVD actually. Apparently there's an extended version I haven't seen.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jul, 2017 07:08 am
@georgeob1,
A masterpiece, with a few defects. For instance the transitions between actors is a streach of the imagination; the boy is too different physically from the lad, himself too different from the man. Same with the girl. Or at least that's how it looks to me. I realize that it's always a difficult segue to make in cinema. One has to forgive the director (Giuseppe Tornatore, i looked it up) for it but it takes a few mn to adapt after each "jump".
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jul, 2017 10:49 am
@Olivier5,
I noticed that too, mostly, as apparently with you, with the actor chosen for the middle stage young adolescent, ( the boy selected for the first stage was marvelous). I also thought that the adult role portrayed a figure who that too completely separated himself from the authentic emotional intensity of his youth. However on reflection I suspect he was in the director's mind a proxy for the audience; sympathetically, observing the wistful passage of time and events.

In any event it was indeed a masterpiece.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2017 02:41 am
@georgeob1,
Ennio Morricone conducts the main Cinema Paradiso theme in St Marc's square, Venice (forgive the vid):

georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2017 07:27 am
@Olivier5,
I opened this as I sat down with my first cup of coffee on a Monday morning. A very beautiful thing, and a great way to start the day and week.

Thank you.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2017 08:10 am
@georgeob1,
You see? Us Europeans can do a few things right... :-)
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2017 08:19 am
@Olivier5,
Far more than a few.

It's the same with stubborn Americans.

On reflection, it's inevitable that on remote media, such as this, devoid, as they are, of expression and feeling , we see only the written words conveying points on which we see or understand somewhat abstract things differently. The whole context of the real world of impressions and connections - of the waves on the water's surface as expressed in the lyrics in your vid - is lost. Occasionally we encounter an opportunity to get a glimpse of it, and that changes things.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2017 09:26 am
@georgeob1,
Yep. That'd be why meeting people in the flesh changes your rapport to them.
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