Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

@centrox,

Les Français ont soupé les rosbifs.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Les Français ont soupé les rosbifs.

Bah ouais.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

The "ass of the milkmaid" is apocryphal but frequently added among friends (nsfw evidently).

There is le vice anglais... une histoire de cul can be literally a pornographic story or figuratively a mess, a foolish stupid story? Is that right? Like the Brexit story? I know it is une histoire de dingue.

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@centrox,

Une histoire de cul = a sex story. No other meaning.

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Anyway, I don't think that a gread deal of the City's jobs will move to Paris. It's a very expensive place will a dearth of rental space, and the Paris stock exchange is (I believe) smaller than Frankfurt. It's more likely that they will go to Frankfurt, or Dublin for those who want to remain in an anglophone environment.

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@Kolyo,

Kolyo wrote:

When I read that sort of thing from the Left, I'm a little less sorry that Trump is president.
I mean what difference does it even make?

Everyone on both sides has gone crazy. People both in the UK and EU who know it is in their best interests to avoid this calamity are dead set on causing it.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

The fools have been French-bashing for the past 10+ years in a frenzy, like if it was some sort of national pastime... We've taken it with a smile, and never retaliated much. It would have been futile to. But we have no particular reason to play nice now.

The people who were doing the French bashing want a hard Brexit. You aren't harming the French bashers with this hard line. You are helping them.

The people in the UK who you are harming with this hard line are the people who didn't want to leave, and those people never did any French bashing.

You are also harming yourselves. The EU will be worse off without the UK, just as the much as the UK will be worse off without the EU.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Anyway, I don't think that a gread deal of the City's jobs will move to Paris. It's a very expensive place will a dearth of rental space, and the Paris stock exchange is (I believe) smaller than Frankfurt. It's more likely that they will go to Frankfurt, or Dublin for those who want to remain in an anglophone environment.

Unless London entices them to stay right where they are by offering favorable regulations to offset whatever trade barriers they will face.

Have they solved the Northern Ireland border problem? If they allow unregulated travel across the border as it is today, that will provide a path for migrants to sneak into the UK, which defeats the whole point of withdrawing from the common market so they can control such migration.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

The EU will be worse off without the UK, just as the much as the UK will be worse off without the EU.

Yes. But knowing this doesn't change the result of year's referendum.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Have they solved the Northern Ireland border problem? If they allow unregulated travel across the border as it is today, that will provide a path for migrants to sneak into the UK, which defeats the whole point of withdrawing from the common market so they can control such migration.

Actually, "they" (the UK, the Irish, the Northern-Irish) want an open border. - It's one part of the negotiations, and they just started.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Actually, "they" (the UK, the Irish, the Northern-Irish) want an open border. - It's one part of the negotiations, and they just started.

I know. But having an open border defeats the entire point of their leaving the common market so they can have a regulated border. Anyone who wanted to sneak into the UK would just be able to go to Ireland and cross the open border there.

That may not be an unsolvable problem, but so far I have not heard any solutions to it.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Yes. But knowing this doesn't change the result of year's referendum.

I am dumbfounded by this need to adhere to that referendum. In the US the will of the people is ignored and thwarted all the time, and we're better off because of it.

If adherence to referendums has to be so absolute, then there is no reason why they can't have a second referendum to make sure people really want to do that. If Brexit truly is the will of the people, the second referendum will make that clear.

And if the people do want to leave, there is also no reason why they can't have a referendum on whether to have a soft or hard Brexit.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

If adherence to referendums has to be so absolute, then there is no reason why they can't have a second referendum to make sure people really want to do that. If Brexit truly is the will of the people, the second referendum will make that clear.

A second referendum is neither wanted by the governing Conservatives nor by the majority of the opposition parties.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Today, the second round of formal Brexit talks starts - amid signs of cabinet splits over the UK’s approach to departing the EU. (David Davis, the Brexit secretary, said he would be "getting into the real substance" of the separation - Philip Hammond, the chancellor, complained on Sunday that he was being briefed against by fellow ministers opposed to his pro-business approach.)
The future role of the European Court of Justice will be a "battlefield" - among many more.

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@Walter Hinteler,

A recent study, published today, attacks complacency after years of stable food supplies and prices, saying lack of policy ‘suggests chaos unless redressed’.
The experts warned the country is “sleepwalking” into an era of food insecurity not seen since the 1930s. After gorging on decades of EU regulation, they decry an almost complete lack of action on farm subsidies, migrant labour and safety.

UK 'sleepwalking' into food insecurity after Brexit, academics say

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

... signs of cabinet splits over the UK’s approach to departing the EU ...

PM’s spokesman said today, May will remind ministers that cabinet discussions should remain private following days of damaging leaks

Theresa May is to order her ministers to stop leaking details of cabinet discussions following days of infighting over Brexit policy and three consecutive days of anonymous briefings against ministers, particularly targeting Philip Hammond.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Just before the new round of Brexit talks starts, a report from food policy specialists has been published

Quote:

[...]The researchers from three UK universities launched the 86-page review into how Brexit could impact the country's food and farming as the Government gears up for the next round of negotiations with Brussels.

It cites recent research by the British Retail Consortium that the absence of a trade deal could push the price of imported food up by 22%.

Stability and security which is enjoyed in both the price and supply of food is partly product of EU-wide safety standards, the authors warn.

Even a “soft” departure from Europe, in which the UK will remain in the single market or customs union, could badly affect the food and farming industries, they add.
[...]
The report, which is based on more than 200 sources, continues: “Prices, which are already rising and likely to rise more, will become more volatile, especially harming poor consumers.”
[...]
A spokeswoman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: “Leaving the EU will provide our hugely successful food and drinks industry with new opportunities to expand and flourish.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Why do you presume it would be in Europe's self interest to erect high trade barriers with a friendly neighbor?

Napoleon tried precisely that too. It didn't work out well for him.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Why do you presume it would be in Europe's self interest to erect high trade barriers with a friendly neighbor?

I don't nor do I think anyone has proposed such (the EU doesn't do it with other European non-EU-members, I doubt, they would introduce it now).

georgeob1 wrote:

Napoleon tried precisely that too. It didn't work out well for him.

Indeed: afterwards, in 1818, there was the creation of a variety of custom unions among the German states. Then the "Zollverein", Then ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

Oliver Robbins, the most senior civil servant at the Brexit Department, had a slim black notebook and a yellow pen, the three EU negotiators put wielding sheafs of paper.

The Brexit Secretary, pictured without any notes at Brexit negotiations, returned at noon to London after the official photo was taken.

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