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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Fri 21 Apr, 2017 03:08 pm
@nimh,
nimh wrote:

Highly unlikely.

You can't rule it out entirely though, not in this day and age.
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Kolyo
 
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Fri 21 Apr, 2017 03:09 pm
@nimh,
"Britain to Build Great Wall of Calais"

Oh c'mon! They can do better than that.

How about a 20-mile moat?
That's better than a 13-foot wall.

nimh wrote:

https://thetab.com/blogs.dir/90/files/2016/11/feat-600x284.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 22 Apr, 2017 12:07 am
@Kolyo,
Anti-EU ministers show 'invincible ignorance' over European Court, says top ex-judge
Quote:
A former judge at the European Court of Justice has slammed the “invincible ignorance” of Brexit-backing ministers who believe they can free the UK from the court’s influence.

Professor Sir David Edward told The Independent he was “astonished” at what he called misleading promises of autonomy from the court, made by Brexiteer politicians.

Theresa May is expected to make stripping the court of its power in the UK an election pledge when the Conservative manifesto is published, but Sir David’s outburst follows new Brexit negotiating guidelines from the EU which show the bloc will demand the court keeps a role in Britain.

His words also come alongside those of other academic and political experts underlining how difficult it will be for the Government to maintain its hard-line stance towards removing the court’s role in British life.

As the Government moves towards Brexit talks, former judge Sir David said severing ties with Europe’s highest court in Luxembourg will not be as simple as “Leave means Leave.”

He said he was “astonished” by the “invincible ignorance” of many ministers, calling claims that Britain will be able to achieve autonomy from the European Court of Justice (ECJ) “misleading” if it later plans to trade with EU member states.

“You can escape the jurisdiction of the ECJ, but you have got to comply with EU standards if you are going to export into the EU,” he told The Independent.

“And who decides what these standards are ultimately if there’s a problem? It’s the ECJ.”

Going further, former QC Sir David warned that anti-EU politicians, who for years have lambasted the European Court, will also turn their guns on British courts and judges, or anyone who disagrees with the way Brexit was being conducted.

The professor emeritus at the University of Edinburgh School of Law said the ECJ was not “stuffed with European judges who imposed their will on the unwilling British people”.

He added: “A great number of cases we decided were brought by British people precisely in order to be able to trade freely."
[...]
University of Oxford law professor Paul Craig agreed that maintaining “pure sovereign authority” after Brexit will have difficulties.

“When we leave the EU, all rights and obligations cease. However, the reality is any UK business that wishes to do business in Europe will in effect have to comply with the relevant rules, so the idea we have some pure sovereign regulatory authority in the UK will simply not be true,” he said.
[...]
Catherine Barnard, a professor of EU law at the University of Cambridge, said she believed the Prime Minister finds herself in a political bind – forced to appease “hard Brexiteers” by being as uncompromising in her language as she can.

“Politically, [Ms May] has got to say Britain will be free from the ECJ because that is what the hard Brexiteers in the Government want. But in reality, two years is just not enough time to replicate the EU institutions,” Prof Barnard said.

“What will happen is there will be a divorce so she can say we have left, and then there will be transitional arrangements, which will mean from air safety to plant variety. It may well be that we will continue to use the EU bodies because we can't just set up those 50 or so bodies in that time. This means there may still be a role for the ECJ.”

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Olivier5
 
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Sat 22 Apr, 2017 02:17 am
https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_960w/2010-2019/Wires/Images/2017-04-08/Getty/AFP_NE4GS.jpg
A man passes in front of a wall with a graffiti representing French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen, President Trump and the words “Pride in Prejudice” in Paris on April 8. (Joel Saget/Agence France-Presse)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 22 Apr, 2017 06:26 am
The European Union Baroque Orchestra will move its office and legal base to Antwerp next year, to ensure it remains in the EU once Britain leaves the bloc - the ensemble has been bringing together young musicians from across the European Union for the past 32 years, in Oxford, UK.

But Belgium is just another kingdom divided by Brexit: the Flames want a soft approach from the EU (the UK market represents a significant share of their exports), the Wallonnes a hard one.
And that might bring a situation we'd already had before CETA could be signed.
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Foofie
 
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Sat 22 Apr, 2017 01:36 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

...Hey, it's human nature to hate, no? At least that's what I hear you saying... Shouldn't you forgive the genocide then?



I don't answer your questions, since I do not want to respond to your posts. Be nice and talk to others.

But, since you are not Jewish, and I believe do not have the two-thousand year learning curve that Jews have, in knowing better than Gentiles, "how to survive as a pariah minority," you do not apparently have the awareness that "hating" does not equate to "acting out." "Acting out" is just verboten; hating is not. So, those who "act out" and participate in genocide do not warrant forgiveness; that is a Catholic doctrine, not Jewish. Please take your Goyisha Kup and talk to others of your ilk. This helps prove my point that WASPs are my preferred Gentiles, since they have no "confession" that results in absolution of one's sins. A Protestant sins and they go to Hell; do not Pass Go (a la Monopoly). You might not even know how brainwashed you are in religious theology, that can pass for sectarian thinking.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 22 Apr, 2017 07:40 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
But, since you are not Jewish, and I believe do not have the two-thousand year learning curve that Jews have, in knowing better than Gentiles, "how to survive as a pariah minority," you do not apparently have the awareness that "hating" does not equate to "acting out."

You're one dumb, ignorant, Jew.
http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/178160/jewish-poverty-skyrockets-in-new-york-doubles-in/
georgeob1
 
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Sat 22 Apr, 2017 08:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Cicerone, you often complain rather bitterly about the internment of Japanese during WWII, and the American racism you (wrongfully in my view) say lies behind it. Given that, it appears to me you should be a bit more sensitive than you are to the feelings of others who have suffered far worse than that in other places.

Stupidity and ignorance take many forms and you should perhaps be a bit more concerned about your own.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 22 Apr, 2017 08:39 pm
@georgeob1,
No. Our government put us American citizens into concentration camps without being charged with any crime. That was wrong, because they ignored our Constitution.
You're a whitey who will never understand the treatment of Japanese Americans who fought during WWII in Europe and was the most decorated of any unit in US history.
You're a racial bigot who fails to understand American history.
http://www.history.com/news/unlikely-world-war-ii-soldiers-awarded-nations-highest-honor
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 22 Apr, 2017 08:49 pm
@georgeob1,
Your support of such foolishness proves your ignorance.
Quote:
But, since you are not Jewish, and I believe do not have the two-thousand year learning curve that Jews have, in knowing better than Gentiles,


george, Do you have the "two-thousand year learning curve that Jews have?"
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ossobucotemp
 
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Sat 22 Apr, 2017 09:22 pm
@georgeob1,
Both Cicerone and my long time favorite design boss/colleague, both Japanese Americans, lived as children in those camps for "japs", a word I hate to type but fits what people thought. Our Sawtelle area in west Los Angeles was scoured of japanese americans. I remember the racisim behind it, from someone in my family, though I was young.. it lingered on. I think that was when I first learned about hate.

How dare you chide CI?

This reminds me of Trump time.
centrox
 
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Sun 23 Apr, 2017 12:47 am
Daily Mail (!) 23 April:

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Tory lead is slashed in half after tax U-turn: poll shows May plummeting by 11 points ...denting hopes of a landslide

A poll put the Conservatives on 40 per cent, followed by Labour on 29 per cent. It follows the threat to drop pledges to increase pensions by a minimum of 2.5 per cent and not increase taxes. It means Mrs May’s lead over Jeremy Corbyn has nearly halved in four days: a poll immediately after she called the Election gave the Tories a 21-point advantage.
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saab
 
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Sun 23 Apr, 2017 01:51 am
@ossobucotemp,
Excuse me, that I ask, but were not Italians and many Germans also in camps?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 23 Apr, 2017 01:57 am
@saab,
A total of 11,507 people of German ancestry were interned during the WWII.
The US applied detention only to Italian nationals, not to US citizens, or long-term US residents.
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centrox
 
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Sun 23 Apr, 2017 01:57 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
Excuse me, that I ask, but were not Italians and many Germans also in camps?

Yes, but not as many as Japanese in proportion to their numbers in the population.
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Olivier5
 
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Sun 23 Apr, 2017 02:32 am
Foofie IS racist and constantly tries to justify and trivialize racism. That's so obvious that even Little George should be able to see it.

My problem is that I like her handle, which in French means something like "little vagina". So I tend to like talking to "little vagina" in spite of her vast stupidity.

In her posts to me, she constantly asks me to not respond to her. I think this time I will grant her wish.

Edit: the Yiddish term "goyishe kup" (goy head = idiot, dickhead) reminds me of this Jewish joke:

An old rabbi, tired of his ancient rituals and their minutiae, decided to become Catholic and got himself baptized.

The next Sabbath he wokes up early and automatically performs all his rites and puts on the teffilin and all.

His wife asks him: "What do you do?" He says: "Getting ready to go to the synagogue, what else?" She says: "But you became Catholic!"

"Oy!" says the rabbi, smacking himself in the head, "goyishe kup!"

centrox
 
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Sun 23 Apr, 2017 03:01 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
So I tend to like talking to "little vagina"

Moi aussi, mon brave !

Olivier5
 
  1  
Sun 23 Apr, 2017 03:16 am
@centrox,
:-)) It's childish alright but it cracks me up.
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Lash
 
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Sun 23 Apr, 2017 04:25 am
I don't think time spent in an internment camp is a free ticket to calling someone a stupid Jew. You'd think that experience would give that person more sensitivity about racial/ethnic slurs. The fact that you've all calculated the victim's popularity doesn't excuse it.

Olivier5
 
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Sun 23 Apr, 2017 08:03 am
'Brenda from Bristol' captures British mood on snap general elections in viral video

"You're joking! Another one?"
 

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