Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

@centrox,

centrox wrote:

saab wrote:
the British who were the first to fight against Hitler
Er, the Poles?

Even if you look at the western front: there, it was the anti-German ad-hoc coalition of France and Britain, joined after the attack on neutral Belgium by Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg.

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EU would welcome UK back if voters overturn Brexit – Brussels chief

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The president of the European parliament has said Britain would be welcomed back with open arms if voters change their minds about Brexit on 8 June, challenging Theresa May’s claim that “there is no turning back” after article 50.

Speaking after a meeting with the prime minister in Downing Street, Antonio Tajani insisted that her triggering of the departure process last month could be reversed easily by the remaining EU members if there was a change of UK government after the general election, and that it would not even require a court case.

“If the UK, after the election, wants to withdraw [article 50], then the procedure is very clear,” he said in an interview. “If the UK wanted to stay, everybody would be in favour. I would be very happy.”

He also threatened to veto any Brexit deal if it does not guarantee in full the existing rights of EU citizens in Britain and said this protection would forever be subject to the jurisdiction of the European court of justice (ECJ).

Both are potential sticking points for May, who has promised to end free movement of EU citizens and rid Britain forever of interference by the ECJ, but the European parliament must ratify any Brexit deal agreed by negotiators before it can be completed.

Lawyers are divided on whether the UK can unilaterally change its mind about leaving and are bringing a test case to establish the legal reversibility of article 50, but the parliament president spelled out a process by which a simple political decision by other member states would be sufficient.
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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

centrox wrote:
saab wrote:
the British who were the first to fight against Hitler
Er, the Poles?
Even if you look at the western front: there, it was the anti-German ad-hoc coalition of France and Britain, joined after the attack on neutral Belgium by Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg.

Fall Weiss was triggered on 1 September 1939, at 04:40, when the Luftwaffe attacked the Polish town of Wieluń. At 08:00, German troops attacked near the Polish village of Mokra. France and the UK declared war on Germany two days later on 3 September, but failed to provide any meaningful support. The Poles were really fighting the Germans, and dying by the thousand, for 2 days before Britain and France simultaneously declared war. So on several levels one can hardly say that Britain was "first" to "fight" the Germans. No serious British military action against Germany happened for months.

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@saab,

I didn't know you spoke for all Scandinavians.

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@Olivier5,

Whatever the view from one country and that from a group of countries about Brexit is: it was a decision made by voters in the UK.
The referendum was held on Thursday 23 June, 2016, to decide whether the UK should leave or remain in the European Union. Period.
Leave won by 51.9% to 48.1%, with a turnout of 71.8% (= more than 30 million voting in the UK).

Besides the many things which are included in a Brexit (= leaving the EU) is leaving the EU Energy Market.
In 2006,the UK just imported 6% of nationally consumed electricity from continental Europe. But since they will need more due to closing old coal fired power stations ...

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He [Business secretary Greg Clark] said he was determined the UK would remain in the European energy market and increase the number of inter-connectors to the continent and Ireland despite leaving the EU. “It’s in no one’s interest at all to partition functioning markets,” he said.

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Several new electricity interconnectors with European countries are in development. If built, these could satisfy about 20 percent of Britain’s peak electricity demand by the early 2020s.

The UK also wants to continue to play a role in the EU emissions trading system (ETS).

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@Walter Hinteler,

Interesting. All these decisions about energy infrastructure involve long term commitments, hard to make during the brexit process. So we're in for some disruption for that market.

As you might know France already exports electricity, including to Germany, and nuclear power plants. Unfortunately Areva flunked its next generation of nuclear reactors, so on the long-term, electricity production will stagnate. The current park of French nuclear plants is aging.

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@ossobucotemp,

ossobucotemp wrote:

Foofie is purposely obtuse about the rest of the world besides the US, and proud of being obtuse.

No. Foofie learned in the military service to identify with those Americans that are not part of a "universal" faith that resonates with the world's suffering masses. Foofie being secular and Jewish does not think the world's reaction to the genocide in WWII warrants Foofie's concern about the world's masses en masse, since many thought the genocide was well deserved (after almost two millenia) of brainwashing from the historical main church in Europe. I hope my being candid is not off-putting. But I do like American WASP's; they tend to think for themselves, and not brainwashed in the European tradition, in my opinion.

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@Olivier5,

All EU-countries export and import electricity - data for France see here, for the UK here

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@Olivier5,

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@Foofie,

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@saab,

saab wrote:

I am NOT a racist and NOT an asskisser, I am NOT spewing hate, I am NOT pro Brexit.
But with pro EU people like you - I sooner or later would be pro EUxit

I may not be correct, but I thought that the EU reflects a belief in "social justice" (aka, progressivism). If that is correct, then the EU collectively wants to be somewhat of a Robin Hood, of sorts, to the detriment of the countries that are willing to carry their share of the committments. Naturally, progressives might use the "racist" pejorative adhominem against those that do not appreciate the "needs" of those less fortunate. "Racist" was used as an adhominem against many of those that had reservations to vote for our prior President.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

You failed to note the racist overtones in the Brexit campaign. That was your basic mistake, me think: assuming good faith from UKIP and co. UKIP are the bad guys.

Are you presupposing that those that choose to maintain their identity pedigree are "racist"? Would you please define "racist." It is such a subjective adhominem.

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@centrox,

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@Walter Hinteler,

Sure. I should have said "NET exporter."

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@Foofie,

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Are you presupposing that those that choose to maintain their identity pedigree are "racist"?

Err.. yes. How do you call them?

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@Foofie,

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Pray tell, what socioeconomic class were you born into?

Why? You're interested in my pedigree?

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@Foofie,

As far aas I know the richer countries in EU do carry their share to help the poorer countries.
Sweden is the second biggest per capita in paying into EU - about 250 Euro per person and per year.
Spain, which is so much poorer gets about 500 Euro per person.
Greece has been helped.
Sweden is the country which has taken about the most refugees per capita than
most other countries. EU tries to see to that as many countries as possible take
refugees, but several refuse, others are already poor and then Greece and Italy are stuck with them.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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Are you presupposing that those that choose to maintain their identity pedigree are "racist"?

Err.. yes. How do you call them?

Like the Anthropology Department might refer to them: humans are tribal.

Any other definition should wait ten millenia for the evolving brain, if not longer. Presently, it is just idealism, like just so much Pontificating.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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Pray tell, what socioeconomic class were you born into?

Why? You're interested in my pedigree?

No. Decendants of the tribes that plotzed in different regions in Europe, in the early middle ages, have their own gene pool to be burdened with.

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@saab,

saab wrote:

As far aas I know the richer countries in EU do carry their share to help the poorer countries.
Sweden is the second biggest per capita in paying into EU - about 250 Euro per person and per year.
Spain, which is so much poorer gets about 500 Euro per person.
Greece has been helped.
Sweden is the country which has taken about the most refugees per capita than
most other countries. EU tries to see to that as many countries as possible take
refugees, but several refuse, others are already poor and then Greece and Italy are stuck with them.

I personally believe the EU is about a thousand years premature. And, only due to entering the nuclear age did countries decide they should stop fighting as they did for the last millenium. It's the old story of evolution not keeping up with the changes in technology.

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