Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

@roger,

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it's usually the same few people that are the cause.

Like the people who actually post things? They tend to get into more argument than the people who don't post much...

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@Olivier5,

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I am sceptical to EU.

Fine. Just don't accuse the EU of causing Brexit and all the problems coming from it. That's adding insult to injury. That's blaming the victim. The UK owns their exit.

It's perfectly sensible to blame any government or corporate entity for failing its constituents or clients, and deserving their rejection.

To frame the EU as the victim and dare someone to insult it seems to be immature, emotion-driven, and bullying.

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@Lash,

Let a Dane speak:
One can only come to the conclusion that EU positive people are driven by their feelings and not by a rational understanding for what is happening. At least I am glad that Lars Løkke tries to calm down the "hate-speach", which our friends the Brits have gotten from the sides of EU and EU fans

Man kan kun konkludere, at EU-tilhængerne er drevet af deres følelser og ikke af en rationel forståelse for, hvilken udfordring vi står med. Jeg er i det mindste glad for, at Lars Løkke forsøger at dæmpe den "hate-speach", som vore venner briterne bliver udsat for fra EUs og EU-tilhængernes side.

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@Lash,

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It's perfectly sensible to blame any government or corporate entity for failing its constituents or clients, and deserving their rejection.

The UK failed the EU, not the other way around. They kept asking for all sorts of special treatments. I certainly hope that they will leave, and the sooner the better.

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@saab,

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Not because of the Europeans, but because of laws made by EU.

Racism in Britain was caused by EU laws? I definitely don't buy that line of argument.

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@Lash,

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Corbyn is Remain, isn't he?

Corbyn has been a lifelong opponent of the EU, he obviously didn’t care a lot about leaving or stayinf before referendum.

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@saab,

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The last 10 years EU has made 18 000 new laws. That is a bit more than just free movement et a.l

I don't know the number but it might be true.
All or nearly all are UK-law as well - and now, the UK has to adopt and/or change them.

That certainly was one of the arguments of the leave campaign. But immigration (aka free movement) was and still is the main topic.

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@saab,

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Really? Children under 8 cannot blow up ballons in the EU without adult supervision

You are referring to the EU toy safety rules on balloons (directive 2009/48)?
(Balloons made from strong latex must carry a warning ""Warning! Children under eight years can choke or suffocate on uninflated or broken balloons. Adult supervision required. Keep uninflated balloons from children. Discard broken balloons at once.".

I agree that warnings like "Not for children under 3", the above and similar others might seem ridiculous for some.
However, the standard EN 71-1 required for balloons is to bear the above.warning.

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@ehBeth,

What kind of crap is that?
There was never ever a question of racism, but a lot about all the laws that EU makes about all kind of things.
That has nothing to do with racism.
That has to do with EU mixing into every little corner of our lifes.
The Scandinavians also complain about all the laws that are made.
Remove laws, that fit our countries and exchange them laws which do not fit, that what is ennoying.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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I agree that warnings like "Not for children under 3"

I agree that "not for children under 3 or five" is perfectly fine, but under 8 is doubtful.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

All or nearly all are UK-law as well - and now, the UK has to adopt and/or change them.

According to the House of Commons Library (pdf-link), which itself concedes that there is no completely accurate way to make the calculation, between 1993 and 2014 Parliament passed 945 Acts of which 231 implemented EU obligations of some sort.
It also passed 33,160 Statutory Instruments, 4,283 of which implemented EU obligations.
That makes 13% - but if you count all EU regulations, EU-related Acts of Parliament, and EU-related Statutory Instruments, about 62% of laws introduced between 1993 and 2014 apply in the UK., including such like tobacco and olive oil production and many more that actually doesn't affect the UK.
Included in the number of those "laws" are detailed technical administrative decisions, such as updating the scientific registers of chemicals and food additives, and extending the protection period for measures to combat diarrhoea in pigs.

The impact of EU law varies from sector to sector. In many areas - public order, crime, defence, health - EU laws have minimal or no impact.

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@saab,

When living in the US, I saw an article about funny labels. One on a Superman costume read: BEWARE! THIS COSTUME WON'T MAKE YOU FLY.

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@Olivier5,

Think about all the special treatments EU has asked for over the years.
What about this moving back and forth all the time between Brussels and Strassbourg? How much does cost and think about how much that pollutes the air.

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@saab,

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I agree that "not for children under 3 or five" is perfectly fine, but under 8 is doubtful.

So you want no warning on those balloons? Have you ever tried to blow up one of those made of heavy latex?

Rereading that directive, I found this, too:

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Toys in food
Toys contained in food or co-mingled with food shall bear the following warning:
‘Toy inside. Adult supervision recommended’.

The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act prohibits confectionery products which contain a "non-nutritive object" - essentially, the Act bans "the sale of any candy that has embedded in it a toy or trinket".

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@saab,

Immigration is code for we don't like people of colour.

This is about racism. The British posters who were here years ago who were UKIP supporters and leave supporters were very clearly racist. The leave supporters I read on other boards? they're racist. They want to leave the EU because they somehow think it's going to bring back a lovely pink/white Britain.

Sometimes I think they haven't taken a good look at their country in the last 50 years.

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@saab,

There are plenty of problems with the EU including the one you mentioned about Strasbourg and Brussels. And it's a-okay for any country to think that the drawbacks are larger than the advantages, and to leave the Union.

I am happy, personally, about Brexit. I think they made the right decision for Europe. The Brits should leave it alone because they are not helping. They have always behaved as spoiled children, since Thatcher at least, and they are most welcome to leave the family ASAP. It's not a perfect family by any mean. Maybe it'll improve as a result of Brexit.

What annoys me is you blaming the EU for this divorce, again and again and again. The Brits own their vote. It was a heinous vote, struck up by UKIP and racist tabloids. Let them eat their own poison now. And don't accuse us for brewing that poison because we had nothing to do with it.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

What annoys me is you blaming the EU for this divorce, again and again and again. The Brits own their vote.

It's not just saab - more dangerous is there are quite lot of (extreme) right-wingers in many other European countries with exactly the same tactics.
Logic - that these or similar laws have been already there or would have to made - fails here, too.

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@Walter Hinteler,

i did not say I did not want any warning.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Is Saab extreme right???

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

It was a heinous vote, struck up by UKIP and racist tabloids. Let them eat their own poison now.

so true

there is no one to blame/credit other than British politicians and voters

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