Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

An argument could well be made that more people would support the "Norway option" over complete severance from the EU.

Norway isn't and wasn't an EU-member - the UK has triggered article 50.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Norway isn't and wasn't an EU-member - the UK has triggered article 50.

I know.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Norway is, however, still a part of the EU common market and people are allowed unrestricted travel with the EU.

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@oralloy,

That idea you can hear in Scandinavia as the Scandinavian countries feel close to GB.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Norway is, however, still a part of the EU common market and people are allowed unrestricted travel with the EU.

Unrestricted movement of people is precisely what the Brits want to get rid of. Therefore the Norway approach ain't good for them.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Unrestricted movement of people is precisely what the Brits want to get rid of.

Not necessarily. Some Brits may prefer that. But not all.

I remember an interview with a British farmer just before the vote, who disliked EU regulations that sound sensible when applied to large factory farms, but were rather unreasonable for a small farmer to have to comply with. The Norway option would be perfect for that farmer.

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@Olivier5,

What about the Swedes and the Danes - there are checks at the borders.
Lately .also when you are leaving Sweden to go to Denmark.
Since the attack in Stockholm and a bomb found in Oslo there are checks at the
border also between Norway and Sweden.
Plus you always have to travel with IDs when travelling from one Schengen country to another one. National ID card or passport.

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@oralloy,

The main motivation behind Brexit is to reduce emigration, including from other EU countries. The Norway option defeats that purpose.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Norway is, however, still a part of the EU common market and people are allowed unrestricted travel with the EU.

Noeway is an EFTA-member state (Liechtenstein, Iceland and Switzerland are the other members). Norway has signed the Agreement on a European Economic Area (under EFTA Surveillance Authority and the EFTA Court). (The UK is still an EU.member and had left the EFTA more than 40 years ago.)
Besides that, Norway is a Schengen Area Member State. (The UK is no Schengen Area Member State)

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Not necessarily. Some Brits may prefer that. But not all.

These "some" are the majority - it was THE argument in the referendum.

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@saab,

Border checks are only tangentially related to free movement - the Schengen Borders Code provides Member States with the capability of temporarily reintroducing border control at the internal borders.

The emporarily reintroduced border controls now are done in the context of Recommendation of the Council as of 7 February 2017.

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@Olivier5,

There are many more emigrants in GB than in Norway per capita. After all more people speak English and know about GB than speak Norwegian or have knowledge about Norway.
About 12% of the British population are non whites according to statistics and in Norway it is 5%.
These numbers might have changed as the information is from 2012.
GB also has a population which is ten times larger than Norway´s.
People from non Western countries have lately not even wanted to go to Norway - too strict and too little help.

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@Walter Hinteler,

People in the EU countries have feelings about this and that. These feelings vary of course were you live and how EU laws have had an influence in your country. Feelings do not always accept facts and how things are.
They are very important.
When people express their feelings about what is going on in their country (strangely enough) at lot is blamed on EU even it is not at fault.
The only answers which are coming from EU are answers referring to some
rules and regulations.
Swedes trust Swedish politicians up to 70% and only 7% trust a European politian.

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As an aside: the Manchester Gorton byelection is due to take place on 4 May. But parliament is due to be dissolved on 2 May, meaning a new MP will be elected to a House of Commons no longer sitting.

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Germany needs a strong EU. Why would it allow Britain an easy Brexit?

Quote:

Whatever the result of the forthcoming British and German elections, London should not expect much help from Berlin.

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@saab,

saab wrote:

There are many more emigrants in GB than in Norway per capita.

Sure but that's not the point. The point is that the STATUS enjoyed by Norway re. the EU (that of an EFTA country) implies free movement of labor with the EU countries. This is exactly what Brexiters rejected, so they can't possibly seek the same status as Norway.

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About 12% of the British population are non whites according to statistics and in Norway it is 5%.

This proportion is about to rise, as the kingdom will have to replace the lost EU workers with new ones, and a good deal of them may come from Commonwealth countries. Not that this should be a problem.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
You might be seeing this through the prism of a non-American eye

How perpicascious of you! Yet I've watched the show and you haven't, so you don't know what you're talking about.

I only know the perspective of an American born citizen. In my world, your opinion doesn't count that much. I am not a citizen of the world, as some are, just an American.

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@Foofie,

Foofie is purposely obtuse about the rest of the world besides the US, and proud of being obtuse.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

This proportion is about to rise, as the kingdom will have to replace the lost EU workers with new ones, and a good deal of them may come from Commonwealth countries. Not that this should be a problem.

they're going to have to change a whack of laws to make that possible

http://www.macfarlanes.com/media/1660/uk-immigration-for-commonwealth-citizens.pdf

Quote:

Today, Commonwealth citizenship does
not free an individual from UK immigration and employment
restrictions. Indeed, the citizens of certain Commonwealth
countries are “visa nationals”, who must obtain a visa before
travelling to the UK for whatever purpose and for whatever
length of time.

Any non-visa national (other than a British National (Overseas),
a British Territories citizen, a British Overseas citizen, a British
Protected Person or a person who under the British Nationality
Act 1981 is a British subject) who is seeking entry for a period
exceeding 6 months or otherwise than as a visitor needs a visa
obtained before reaching the UK. This includes Commonwealth
citizens from countries such as Australia, Canada, Malaysia,
New Zealand, Singapore and South Africa.

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@Olivier5,

So every EU worker - 3 million - will have to leave GB.
Every GB citizen living in EU - 1.5 million .- will have to back home to GB.

Oh how pleased the Eurocrats are - the more trouble the better.

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