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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Lash
 
  1  
Tue 18 Apr, 2017 07:41 am
I think May is overwhelmed by the gravity of the decisions facing her and wants to know if the majority of the public supports or disagrees with her direction.

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Olivier5
 
  1  
Tue 18 Apr, 2017 07:47 am
@Lash,
Melenchon is not anti-UN. Nor is Bernie Sanders by the way.
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Lash
 
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Tue 18 Apr, 2017 08:09 am
I think the writer of the article compared Sanders and Melenchon due to unexpected rise in popularity, and not much more.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Tue 18 Apr, 2017 09:04 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Does May want to quit?...


Quote:
British prime minister calls for elections in June amid Brexit fallout

British Prime Minister Theresa May called Tuesday for an early election on June 8, saying she needed a fresh mandate to move ahead with Britain’s planned break from the European Union.

The surprise announcement — made outside her office at 10 Downing Street — comes amid political strains over Brexit and moves by Scotland to possible carve its own independent path to remain in the European Union.

“I have concluded the only way to guarantee certainty and stability for the years ahead is to hold this election and seek your support for the decisions I have to make,” she said.

Last month, Britain submitted its formal request to begin E.U. exit negotiations.

Theresa May became prime minister in July last year, shortly after the referendum that set in motion Britain’s E.U. divorce and prompted the resignation of her predecessor, David Cameron.

May also is taking a political gambit.

If her Conservative party wins the snap elections, she will have the mandate to pursue her own agenda as she heads into negotiations as Britain exits the European Union — not the one set out by her predecessor Cameron.

But a loss would throw deep uncertainly into the complex talks ahead between Britain and the other 27 E.U. members, and reflect important shifts in the British sentiment since last year’s referendum.



This is sounding like old news...UK threatening getting out of the door and coming back in lambs skin...
...whatever the result on the election they ain't good for EU Federation. I say leave them out for good! Don't get lured baited by the money they contributed in. It doesn't pay the loss of delaying a Federation forever. **** them!
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ehBeth
 
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Tue 18 Apr, 2017 09:14 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Does May want to quit?...

Quote:

If her Conservative party wins the snap elections, she will have the mandate to pursue her own agenda as she heads into negotiations as Britain exits the European Union — not the one set out by her predecessor Cameron..



and what is her agenda?

http://www.euronews.com/2016/07/12/what-is-theresa-may-s-view-on-brexit

Quote:
But those same people she was trying to reach out to are unlikely to forget quickly that May was a ‘Remain’ supporter during the campaign.

Theresa May wasn’t one of the most vocal figures of the debate, but she stuck to the government line: that Britain would be better off remaining part of the European Union. As a high level cabinet Minister (May was the longest serving Home Secretary for over a century), this is not surprising.

She warned UK voters that Brexit could have seriously damaging effects on the economy, the security, and even the current form of the United Kingdom.

Though often quiet during the campaign, May said that leaving the EU would be “fatal for the Union with Scotland”, as the Scottish National Party (SNP) would most likely try again for independence if Scotland voted to remain while the UK as a whole voted to leave.

Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 18 Apr, 2017 09:28 am
@ehBeth,
Labour has backed Article 50 in parliament, and May has already triggered it - so there is (nearly) a zero chance oof an article 50 u-turn.

I suppose, the Liberal-Democrats will do fine, Labour will stay down (certainly the damaged situation inside Labour was one of the reasons for May's call for a snap election), but who knows if Brexiters back May because she's getting on with it ... ...

May became PM without facing a general election in her own right, so this is her chance to ask voters for her own mandate.

Generally, I do agree with Sturgeon: Tories will use the snap general election to 'move UK to the right and force through hard Brexit' (link)
Olivier5
 
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Tue 18 Apr, 2017 11:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
May became PM without facing a general election in her own right, so this is her chance to ask voters for her own mandate.

She had a mandate from the Brexit referendum, or so I thought... Now there's going to be another campaign and another vote. It could confuse things rather than clarify them.

Anyway, article 50 means no turning back. I hope.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Tue 18 Apr, 2017 12:23 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Anyway, article 50 means no turning back.
In all likelihood
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centrox
 
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Tue 18 Apr, 2017 12:42 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Anyway, article 50 means no turning back. I hope.

I don't. Most recently, a leaked European Parliament draft resolution has said that the UK will be able to revoke Article 50 before it expires if the rest of the EU agrees. That sounds tough; we'd need 27 other countries to vote to let us back in. But in the scenario of a new prime minister who favours Remain, it would suit all parties just fine: It is highly likely that the other EU nations will welcome back the UK under the existing conditions of our membership.

Also, the House of Lords has been advised by its own legal counsel: "It is absolutely clear that you cannot be forced to go through with it if you do not want to: for example, if there is a change of government ... There is nothing in Article 50 formally to prevent a member state from reversing its decision."
Fil Albuquerque
 
  2  
Tue 18 Apr, 2017 12:57 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The U-turn can only be performed after people got scared not before...the scary part is now, the U-turn later on. Anyway UK is not good for the EU it never was. All they ever wanted was to delay its growth to keep the UK pseudo Empire benefit n status...now coming to the sobering recognition of their actual power U-turn here we go...I will actively campaign to not let them in again if I have a chance at it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 18 Apr, 2017 01:01 pm
@centrox,
Patrick Wintour, the Guardian's diplomatic editor, writes:
May's real reason for calling election? To show EU that Brexit really means Brexit
Quote:
Alongside the many disingenuous and self-interested reasons supplied by Theresa May for calling a general election, the Conservative leader provided one genuine one. She believes she still needs to convince her European counterparts that Brexit does indeed mean Brexit.

A Brexit mandate, delivering a large Conservative Commons majority, would sweep away the last hope that that the UK’s “aberrant” referendum decision last June could be reversed.

On this basis, a resounding majority for May would remove any motive for the EU negotiators to make the UK’s Brexit terms as unpalatable as possible in the belief that it would help UK voters realise the terms of Brexit are just too painful to accept.

Among parts of the EU leadership, and the European public, there remains a lingering belief – something more than wistful regret – that the British people can be helped to change their mind. Even though article 50 has been triggered, many EU lawyers believe a legal route is available for Britain to revoke Brexit, probably through a Commons vote in the winter of 2018.

This belief that the UK not only made the wrong decision, and can yet be persuaded not to go through with it, gripped Europe’s leadership from the start. Angela Merkel’s chief of staff, Peter Altmaier, in the immediate wake of the referendum last June said politicians in London “should have the possibility to reconsider the consequences of an exit”. There is after all a long European history of second EU referendums in the wake of “incorrect results”, including in Ireland and France.
[... ... ...]
If May wins a large Commons majority, the lingering hope that Britain will change its mind will be dashed. There will instead be a double democratic lock – a narrow referendum decision affirmed in a comprehensive general election verdict.
[...]
The overwhelming EU view remains that the UK must not be seen to benefit from any decision to leave the EU whether that decision is taken by referendum or by an election.
Fil Albuquerque
 
  1  
Tue 18 Apr, 2017 01:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
...yeah lots of German cars in London...Merkel should see past that and look for a solid foundation towards a Federation. Not with Brits they wont...
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Foofie
 
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Tue 18 Apr, 2017 01:08 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

I doubt the "times" were actually like that. The series depicts the wild west as fantacized by a team of producers and scenarists in the 70s. It touches on themes typical of the 70s, e.g. the importance given to race and racism, or religion seen as a force of progess, MLK style.

There was a sort of remake in the 90's which my daughter got to watch: Dr Quinn, in which race was still a major issue but gender/feminism was center-stage. I found the characters in Dr Quinn less lovable though, more simplistic than in Little House.


You might be seeing this through the prism of a non-American eye, so to speak. America is not a "cheap knock-off" of Europe, so to speak.
Foofie
 
  0  
Tue 18 Apr, 2017 01:12 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

saab wrote:
Germans tend to "these are the rules and regulations - nothing to discuss"
Swedes tend to "Oh we have to have a commity which will look into things, but first we need a commity to somehow look into whom we should get into the commity and we need a commity...........but first of all fairness and equality.
Well, obviously our understanding of legal affairs and laws differs.


"Differs"? I thought there is a right way and a wrong way.
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Olivier5
 
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Tue 18 Apr, 2017 01:51 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
If that was the idea, I'm afraid it's backfiring already. All we hear from where I stand is that old Clash song: Should I Stay or Should I Go.

ehBeth
 
  2  
Tue 18 Apr, 2017 02:16 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
All we hear from where I stand is that old Clash song: Should I Stay or Should I Go.


it does seem that the real costs of leaving have caught a few voters' attention

the campaign of leave/go has restarted
Olivier5
 
  2  
Wed 19 Apr, 2017 12:36 am
@centrox,
Quote:
In the scenario of a new prime minister who favours Remain, it would suit all parties just fine: It is highly likely that the other EU nations will welcome back the UK under the existing conditions of our membership.

Probably. It would be very rude for the continent to close the EU door on the UK if it wants to stay... But what you describe has little chance of happening because it seems that Labor will NOT campaign for remain.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Wed 19 Apr, 2017 12:41 am
@Foofie,
Quote:
You might be seeing this through the prism of a non-American eye

How perpicascious of you! Yet I've watched the show and you haven't, so you don't know what you're talking about.
Olivier5
 
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Wed 19 Apr, 2017 12:47 am
@ehBeth,
So much fun! They should do a Brexit vote once a year to keep us masses entertained.
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oralloy
 
  1  
Wed 19 Apr, 2017 01:58 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
But what you describe has little chance of happening because it seems that Labor will NOT campaign for remain.

Even if few politicians in the UK are willing to go against the Brexit vote (an attitude that baffles me, but let's leave that aside for a moment), the Brexit vote did not specify "hard Brexit" verses "soft Brexit".

An argument could well be made that more people would support the "Norway option" over complete severance from the EU.

Why don't those politicians who really don't like this move but feel compelled to support the results of the vote, make a concerted push for the Norway option?
 

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