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air conditioning and fuel consumption

 
 
Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 09:56 am
hi there,
is it right that using your air conditioning in your car affects the fuel consumption and if so how does this happen?
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 10:23 am
I was told that it did so when I'm down to fumes I turn the A/C off. Someone will come along and straighten this out
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 10:32 am
YES, the air conditioner compressor eats much engine power
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iceman71
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 11:53 am
so technically speaking why does this happen?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 12:06 pm
the ac compressor runs off a fan belt directly from the crankshaft of the engine which reduces the horsepower output of the engine therefore requiring the engine to "work harder" to maintain the same road speed. this would result in the typical car engine achieving about 3 to 5 less m.p.g..of course the more horsepower the engine has to begin with, the less it will be effected by the ac compressor. or least that's what I believe.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 02:46 pm
Ahhh, the Rennaissance man answers.
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gordy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 03:59 pm
And if you are stuck in traffic and your car is overheating to the extent of boiling over,turn the a/c off.Taking the load of the motor may be enough to stop it boiling over
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 04:03 pm
Gordy, even better. I used to turn the heat full on to keep the radiator from boiling. Made driving in Florida torture.
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Jarlaxle
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 09:57 pm
Quote:
the ac compressor runs off a fan belt directly from the crankshaft of the engine which reduces the horsepower output of the engine therefore requiring the engine to "work harder" to maintain the same road speed. this would result in the typical car engine achieving about 3 to 5 less m.p.g..of course the more horsepower the engine has to begin with, the less it will be effected by the ac compressor. or least that's what I believe.


More like .3-.5MPG. An normal car A/C compressor uses 10-15HP to turn. If the fuel consumption increase is noticeable, it will be in the 1MPG range.

Incidentally, the A/C causes less drag than open windows on the highway.
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iceman71
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 12:21 am
hey thanks again you guys know your stuff
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 02:30 am
Jarlaxle's got it right. A modern, aerodynamic vehicle will expend less energy, and consume less fuel, at any speed over about 20 Mph with its windows closed and airconditioning engaged than would be the case if the a/c were shut off and the windows opened. The disruption of airflow around, over, and past the vehicle's body caused by open windows greatly increases the vehicle's drag coefficient, effectively multiplying the apparent cross-section presented to the air through which the vehicle is moving.

Incidentally, the windshield defroster system actually engages the airconditioner of vehicles so equipped; the cooling of the air reduces its moisture content, enhancing the clearing effect as the airstream is directed onto the inside windshield. Even if the heater is engaged, the air directed to the windshield first passes over the airconditioner's cooling coils.

Speaking of the heater, vehicles with liquid-cooled engines actually have 2 radiators; the one which cools the engine coolant fluid, and another, called the heater core, which is the source of cabin heat. Engine coolant circulates through the heater core independently of the main radiator, with rate-of-flow regulated by a valve controlled through the temperature-setting knob on the dashboard. The heater core itself is simply a multi-row finned radiator over which the heater fan blows air. Engaging the heater adds cooling surface to the engine cooling system, and will reduce the engine's operating temperature.
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iceman71
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 10:32 am
so its more effecient to have a car with air con on ,on a hot day than to have a car with no air con but the windows down
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 10:51 am
For most of today's cars, that's it. The body designs are calculated to present the least amount of drag. In actual practice, however, the fuel economy differences will be all but neglible in normal driving. A well tuned engine with clean filters, tires properly inflated, a steady throttle foot without frequent speed changes (think cruise control ... but by foot), brisk but not jackrabbit starts, reasonable speeds ... a vehicle travelling 75 may use anywhere from 30 to 50% more fuel than at 55, in many cases, and well-planned decellerating and braking to stops will give much better results than just about anything else you can do. To drive cheap, drive smooth.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 12:11 pm
I wonder if the drag I'm getting from my Flinstone-style, open-floor, added-acceleration system is offsetting any benefits...
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iceman71
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 01:21 pm
its funny that because my new van i drive at work is as aerodynamic as a brick,on the motorway it can be as slow as 60mph going uphill whereas the old van i drove could easily do 70 mph uphill.sorry for the people in usa i dont know what that is in kmph.its a real pain in the ass,good job i dont drive with the windows down as well as it would take me forever to get anywhere.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 01:25 pm
A work or delivery van prolly isn't gonna be all that aerodynamic to begin with, I s'pose; ain't much you can do to streamline a rolling storage container Laughing
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iceman71
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 02:23 pm
true but what about painting some go faster stripes on the side???
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patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 02:35 pm
Whatcha need is a rear-wing spoiler. And one of them noisy coffee can mufflers. Maybe some fancy rims. And a sub-woofer. Yeah, then your van will be fast.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 02:48 pm
The weight of the air conditioner alone is enough to decrease the fuel economy slightly. The guys at the shop warned me when I bought my car, and they were right.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 02:56 pm
Oh? I wonder if the conventional wisdom mostly applies to the Belchfire 8 of yore? Surly, hanging an A/C on my dinky 4 cylinder would knock down a bigger percentage than on the land cruisers used by the OK highway patrol to prove the efficiency of air conditioned cars.

Hmmm. Maybe the tests were performed by officers that wanted airconditioned cars. Windows down, no ac, and cruise at 70mph, then compare mpg to a 60 mph cruise in high gear at 60.
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