hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2015 09:34 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
Money has made its way,


Ya, but the fact that there is more money to pass around is only part of the problem. So many people now think that they would be disloyal to themselves if they turned down money offered, so they say yes no matter what is being asked of them, no matter what the utility or the morality situation of that act is. That to me is the real problem. We are dealing with lost empty people who are programed to be always wanting more money, and not particularly caring how they get it. What is wrong with this country is a spiritual problem primarily. Not that the spiritual leaders did not deserve all you people walking out on them, but people with no spiritual guidance tend to fare poorly in this world full of cruelty and pain. The breakdown of the family and feminist driven hostility towards men sure does not help matters.
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Ragman
 
  2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2015 09:40 pm
@Brandon9000,
Perhaps you missed the part where Bush had and has now fundamentalist values, and as an evolution denier, was known to hold a belief that the earth is only 5-6,000 yrs old? I'd say not only did he hold negative values of science but was a denier of scientific proof.

Witness this pertinent article: http://blogcritics.org/george-w-bush-denies-evolution-warns/
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Dec, 2015 09:44 pm
@Thomas,
The science in all three areas was purely secondary however and sadly England did not follow up on Colossus and it end up being scrape with one of the true genius of the program being driven to suicide for being gay.

Leaving the less advance University of Pennsylvania WW2 computer program to go forward after the war.
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layman
 
  -3  
Fri 4 Dec, 2015 10:51 pm
Jeez, how anti-science can ya git!?

Quote:
Professor Judith Curry [has a] record of peer-reviewed publication in the best climate-science journals is second to none, and in America she has become a public intellectual.

Some consider her a heretic. According to Professor Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University, a vociferous advocate of extreme measures to prevent a climatic Armageddon, she is ‘anti-science’.


Ya see! Michael "hockey stick" Mann done said she "anti-science!!!!" She should be put behind bars, I tellya!

Quote:
‘It’s unfortunate, but he calls anyone who doesn’t agree with him a denier,’ she tells me. ‘Inside the climate community there are a lot of people who don’t like what I’m doing."

Professor Curry, based at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, does not dispute for a moment that human-generated carbon dioxide warms the planet.

Much of the [Paris] conference will consist of attempts to make these targets legally binding. This debate will be conducted on the basis that there is a known, mechanistic relationship between the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and how world average temperatures will rise.

Unfortunately, as Curry has shown, there isn’t. Any such projection is meaningless...According to Curry, the claims being made by policymakers suggest they are still making new policy from the old, now discarded assumptions...And if you question this, you will be slagged off as a denier.


Yeah, right, eh? Tryin to deny that you're the denialist skank you is. What else would a denyer do, except deny, I ask ya? The following isn't near punishment enough. The bitch should be BEHIND BARS, I tellya!

Quote:
Curry’s independence has cost her dear. She began to be reviled after the 2009 ‘Climategate’ scandal, when leaked emails revealed that some scientists were fighting to suppress sceptical views. ‘I started saying that scientists should be more accountable, and I began to engage with sceptic bloggers. I thought that would calm the waters. Instead I was tossed out of the tribe.

There’s no way I would have done this if I hadn’t been a tenured professor, fairly near the end of my career. If I were seeking a new job in the US academy, I’d be pretty much unemployable. I can still publish in the peer-reviewed journals. But there’s no way I could get a government research grant to do the research I want to do. Since then, I’ve stopped judging my career by these metrics. I’m doing what I do to stand up for science and to do the right thing."


http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/i-was-tossed-out-of-the-tribe-climate-scientist-judith-curry-interviewed/

Anyone interested in Curry's credentials can check this out, if they want: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Curry

The GALL of it all, eh? Trying to say she's "standing up for science." She's pissing ALL OVER science, that's eminently obvious, aint it?

Criminal. Disgusting. Traitorous. Dangerous. Socially irresponsible. Psychotic. If not prison, then she should be locked up in a mental institution, sho nuff.
layman
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Dec, 2015 11:30 pm
Ya want REAL science? Kay, then, here ya go:

Quote:
"On December 26, 2012, Senior Hamas official and Jerusalem bureau chief Ahmed Abu Haliba, called on all Palestinian factions to resume suicide attacks ... deep inside the Zionist enemy."

Hamas has been explicit in its Holocaust Denial: "a clear Zionist goal, aimed at forging history by hiding the truth about the so-called Holocaust, which is an alleged and invented story with no basis. The invention of these grand illusions of an alleged crime that never occurred, clearly reveals the racist Zionist face. By these methods, the Jews in the world flout scientific methods of research whenever that research contradicts their racist interests."


And some try to claim that the muslim world is behind in science, eh? Just shows ya how people will deny science, just to suit their jew agenda.

Quote:
”In September, 2010, an al-Jazeera poll asked this question: "Do you believe that a non-violent Islam is an impractical, outdated theory?" Sixty-five percent of the respondents said "Yes."


http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Terrorism

Disgusting. Seems like there's still a whopping 35% of muslims who deny true science.
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Kolyo
 
  3  
Fri 4 Dec, 2015 11:44 pm
@layman,
http://www.pewinternet.org/interactives/public-scientists-opinion-gap/

According to this survey, which we've talked about in other threads, only 87% of the AAAS agrees that global warming is the fault of us humans.

87% is not 100%.

This woman is one of that dissenting 13%. So what?




@maxdancona:
I noticed one odd thing: 82% of these folks believe our growing world population is a major problem. Do you think you know something they don't?
layman
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Dec, 2015 11:51 pm
@layman,
Quote:
The science on global warming is settled, so settled that 20 climate scientists are asking President Barack Obama to prosecute people who disagree with them on the science behind man-made global warming
.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/17/scientists-ask-obama-to-prosecute-global-warming-skeptics/#ixzz3tQGrnxEj

Yeah! Now that's what I'm talkin about!
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layman
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Dec, 2015 11:53 pm
@Kolyo,
Quote:
.... AAAS agrees that global warming is the fault of us humans.


Is this the same AAAS that was warning us about potentially disastrous global cooling back in 1975, I wonder?
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layman
 
  0  
Sat 5 Dec, 2015 12:13 am
@Kolyo,
Quote:
IPCC Lead Author: 25 Years Of Failed Global Warming Policies Have Made Us Poorer

Environmental economist Richard Tol wants the world to deal with global warming, but his data shows the past 25 years of climate policies in rich countries have done nothing to fundamentally tackle the issue.

If anything, Tol argues, current and past climate policies have only served to make most people a little poorer while benefiting those in politically favored industries or with connections to powerful politicians.

In Tol’s view, climate policies have been more about “rewarding allies with rents and subsidies rather than emissions reduction.”


What!? There's big money to be made by some by promoting global warming "cures?" Who knew?

Quote:
Tol is probably the world’s leading environmental economist and a lead author of a United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group, but that hasn’t stopped him from being criticized for his unorthodox opinions.

Tol lashed out against the IPCC last year for exaggerating claims about global warming, by comparing it to an “apocalypse.” The economist also authored articles debunking the “97 percent” consensus claim often touted by environmentalists and politicians.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/03/ipcc-lead-author-25-years-of-failed-global-warming-policies-have-made-us-poorer/#ixzz3tQLiWbOE

This guy should be immediately fired as a lead author, that's for sure. How could he possibly "debunk" something that everybody and his brother knows is a stone-cold FACT? Does he think we're all chumps, that it?

layman
 
  1  
Sat 5 Dec, 2015 12:32 am
@Kolyo,
Quote:
This woman is one of that dissenting 13%. So what?


I think we know the answer to that already, don't we? She should be jailed along with everyone else of her "anti-science" stripe, that's what!
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layman
 
  0  
Sat 5 Dec, 2015 12:47 am
@layman,
Quote:
Poor countries are banding together to get rich countries to hand over more money to fund their development.

Tol is still skeptical that anything substantive will come out of the Paris talks, thus continuing decades of failed international efforts. Tol estimated the world spends $100 million a year sending people to U.N. climate talks.

“As a taxpayer I think you should be dismayed,” Tol said.


Don't bother me none. I don't pay no damn taxes. I just wish I could be at some of them wild-ass U.N. climate conferences parties.



Kolyo
 
  2  
Sat 5 Dec, 2015 12:58 am
@layman,
You're wasting your time with me, layman.

You see, I'm pretty much convinced of a couple things on the global warming issue:

(1) yes -- it's real, our fault, and possibly catastrophic if we don't act to stop it
(2) certain people are so invested in proving the scientific consensus wrong, that we won't ever take the necessary steps to stop global warming

1 + 2 = we're toast

When people, either liberal or conservative, try to make some kind of point to me about global warming, I tune them out. Most of the time they aren't voicing deductions that came from their own reasoning anyway; they're regurgitating something they heard on a politically biased news network.

Most of the time I don't think about the path humanity is taking, because I have enough to worry about in my own life. There's a lot that could go wrong for me in the next year or so. If I can have a few successful decades from this point forward, I'll consider my life a success, even if humanity does sweat itself to death after I'm gone. Right now you're trying to convince me that a threat which probably won't affect me personally for 20 years isn't real. You know what? Okay! If it's not real it's not real. Meanwhile, I have a life to live.

Goodnight.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sat 5 Dec, 2015 01:04 am
@Kolyo,
Quote:
When people, either liberal or conservative, try to make some kind of point to me about global warming, I tune them out.

I knew long ago that you are an idiot.

I have no idea why Layman is wasting his time with you.

He must be bored.
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layman
 
  -1  
Sat 5 Dec, 2015 01:05 am
I'm damn sick and tired of the IPCC caving in to the demands of these wack-ass denialists!

Quote:
IPCC corrects claim suggesting climate change would be good for the economy

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has corrected a controversial claim that small amounts of global warming could have overall positive economic impacts. In October 2013, The Spectator magazine published a front–page article under the headline "Why climate change is good for the world."

A number of economists have criticised the models used to estimate future losses due to climate change, and an official journal of the American Economic Association published a collection of papers last year which examined their usefulness.

Robert Pindyck, professor of economics and finance at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), declared: “These models have crucial flaws that make them close to useless as tools for policy analysis.”

Lord Nicholas Stern, chair of the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at London School of Economics and Political Science and president of the British Academy, pointed out: “Scientific models, because they omit key factors that are hard to capture precisely, appear to substantially underestimate these risks.”

Tol caused controversy in April when he announced that he had withdrawn from the team preparing a summary of the IPCC report on the grounds that he did not agree with the other authors.


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/17/ipcc-corrects-claim-suggesting-climate-change-would-be-good-for-the-economy

I don't know who these so-called "economists" are, but I do know this: They should all be in jail. Longtime.
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layman
 
  0  
Sat 5 Dec, 2015 01:31 am
All this argument about "science" and "evidence" just completely misses the whole point, anyway, ya know?

Quote:

Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S undersecretary of state for global issues, addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)

Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick, who then headed the policy divisions of the U.S. State Department said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”

In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”

Speaking at the 2000 U.N. Conference on Climate Change in the Hague, former President Jacques Chirac of France explained why the IPCC’s climate initiative supported a key Western European Kyoto Protocol objective: “For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established.”


"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.” <---- Sez it all, right there, don't it? Or are you just some criminal misanthrope who opposes justice and equality in the world? If so, jailtime, ya miscreant, ya.


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Olivier5
 
  2  
Sat 5 Dec, 2015 02:04 am
@layman,
I'm not the one spewing lies ovet and over again, furiously typing post after post full of BS... YOU are. Me think you're afraid, so afraid you can't face the truth, so you run around like a headless chicken.

I thought you had better sense than that. More courage too. But it seems you're just another tinfoil cap Qehog...
layman
 
  -1  
Sat 5 Dec, 2015 02:11 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
I'm not the one spewing lies ovet and over again...


Heh, Ollie. Show me one lie, eh?

Oh, wait, I forgot...you don't need any kind of evidence before you call someone a liar.

Quote:
you're just another tinfoil cap Qehog...


Keep the faith, Baby!
layman
 
  -1  
Sat 5 Dec, 2015 02:32 am
@Olivier5,
If ya wanna see some lies and misleading claims exposed, Ollie, ya might wanna check out some of the hacked emails and other statements of the IPCC "climatologists," eh? A few samples:

Quote:
Kevin Trenberth, a lead author of 2001 and 2007 IPCC report chapters, writing in a 2007 “Predictions of Climate” blog appearing in the science journal Nature.com, admitted: “None of the models used by the IPCC are initialized to the observed state and none of the climate states in the models correspond even remotely to the current observed state”.

Trenberth associate Tom Wigley of the National Center for Atmospheric Research wrote: “Mike, the Figure you sent is very deceptive … there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC …”

July 2004 communication from Phil Jones to Michael Mann referred to two papers recently published in Climate Research with a “HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL” subject line observed: “I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin [Trenberth] and I will keep them out somehow—even if we have to redefine what the peer review literature is.”

Tom Crowley, a key member of Michael Mann’s global warming hockey team, wrote: “I am not convinced that the ‘truth’ is always worth reaching if it is at the cost of damaged personal relationships.”

Phil Jones wrote: “Basic problem is that all models are wrong – not got enough middle and low level clouds. …what he [Zwiers] has done comes to a different conclusion than Caspar and Gene! I reckon this can be saved by careful wording.”


Plenty more where them came from, eh?

Olivier5
 
  1  
Sat 5 Dec, 2015 02:45 am
@layman,
You keep the faith too dude. Hope you ain't got children. This is about them kids, and the shitty future we have in store for them... The least we can do IMO is face the problem honestly instead of running around like headless chickens. But you chicken don't know you're headless, do you?
layman
 
  -1  
Sat 5 Dec, 2015 02:55 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
This is about them kids, and the shitty future we have in store for them...


Not to worry, Ollie. I'm just as much in favor of effecting a global re-distribution of wealth and otherwise advancing the commie agenda as the next guy, eh?

How many countries in the U.N? 190 or so? How many countries is the USA? I think a 189-1 vote says it all about what the democratic thing to do is, don't you?

Quote:
Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S undersecretary of state for global issues, addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)


Quote:
IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, speaking in November 2010, advised that: “…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth…”

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