BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 10:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
That's because his background is complex computer modeling. That should have answered your q. LOL


Sad indeed and the theory of man created climate change more and more look and act and smell like not a scientific position but a religion one.

Thankfully you just get called by the true believers names such as evil/stupid climate change deniers and not burn at the stake.

I guess they do not wish to add to the carbon footprint by burning people at the stake.

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 10:21 pm
@BillRM,
Who exactly are the 'true believers' and the 'they' you mention in your post?
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FBM
 
  2  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 10:28 pm
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/203_co2-graph-080315.jpg
BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 10:34 pm
@glitterbag,
You know it is a shame that the government institutions that we all grow up respecting had turn out to have such feet of clay to the point that I can believe that someone with your personality could had indeed been employed by NSA..

Even the damn secret service now turn out to be more like a college fraternity with wild parties and hookers.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 10:41 pm
@FBM,
Six hundred and fifty thousand years is indeed a long time but I forgotten how old is the earth somewhere in four and a half billions years range?

Is there some reason that the cut off date was 650,000 years ago instead of going back a few hundreds of millions of years?

Quote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmos

Earth's atmosphere currently constituting about 0.04% (400 parts per million) of the atmosphere.[1][2] Despite its relatively small concentration, CO2 is a potent greenhouse gas and plays a vital role in regulating Earth's surface temperature through radiative forcing and the greenhouse effect.[3] Reconstructions show that concentrations of180 parts per million during the Quaternary glaciation of the last two mi CO2 in the atmosphere have varied, ranging from as high as 7,000 parts per million during the Cambrian period about 500 million years ago to as low as llion years.Earth's atmosphere currently constituting about 0.04% (400 parts per million) of the atmosphere.[1][2] Despite its relatively small concentration, CO2 is a potent greenhouse gas and plays a vital role in regulating Earth's surface temperature through radiative forcing and the greenhouse effect.[3] Reconstructions show that concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere have varied, ranging from as high as 7,000 parts per million during the Cambrian period about 500 million years ago to as low as 180 parts per million during the Quaternary glaciation of the last two million years.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 10:42 pm
@BillRM,
Homo sapiens, perhaps.
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glitterbag
 
  1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 10:43 pm
@BillRM,
Would you pleeeese, add the missing words. I don't what you are laboring to say. I can't answer your question, if your question is missing words, Now can I?
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FBM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 10:47 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Six hundred and fifty thousand years is indeed a long time but I forgotten how old is the earth somewhere in four and a half billions years range?

Is there some reason that the cut off date was 650,000 years ago instead of going back a few hundreds of millions of years?


Because it's irrelevant.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 10:51 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
Because it's irrelevant.


Or because it been at least 17 times higher in the earth history then it is now.
glitterbag
 
  1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 11:00 pm
@BillRM,
Can you fix your earlier question?? If you can't, just tell me.
FBM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 11:06 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Because it's irrelevant.


Or because it been at least 17 times higher in the earth history then it is now.


Nice for brachiopods, trilobites, archaeocyathids, slugs and the like. Not so much for H. sapiens and the majority of the megafauna that, you know, exist today. Rolling Eyes
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 11:06 pm
@glitterbag,
Game player.........and a nasty game player at that.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 11:21 pm
@FBM,
That is an interesting theory however co2 is harmful to humans short term at a level of 30,000 ppm not 7000 ppm even those it would not likely be health for long term exposed at 7,000 for a modern human but there is no reason to think that humans and modern animals could not adopt to it for the long term over a few generations.

Quote:
slightly intoxicating, breathing and pulse rate increase, nausea: 30,000 ppm
above plus headaches and sight impairment: 50,000 ppm
unconscious, further exposure death: 100,000 ppm
FBM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 11:38 pm
@BillRM,
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/facepalm.gif You seriously think I was talking about the atmosphere being poisonous? I'm beginning to think you're faking it, but giving you the benefit of the doubt for the moment, the Cambrian period was also a shitload hotter than the periods before and after it (when megafauna started developing), including the present:

Quote:

The Cambrian world differed greatly from that of the present, but it was also quite different from the preceding Proterozoic Eon (2.5 billion to 541 million years ago) in terms of climate, geography, and life. Average global temperatures during much of the Neoproterozoic Era (1 billion to 541 million years ago) were cooler (around 12 °C [54 °F]) than the average global temperatures (around 14 °C [57 °F]) of the present day, whereas the global temperature of Cambrian times averaged 22 °C (72 °F). Low temperatures during the Neoproterozoic helped to sustain a series of worldwide events known as the Sturtian (748 to 713 million years ago), Marinoan (650 to 600 million years ago), and Gaskiers (595 to 565 million years ago) glaciations. Climate studies suggest that Cambrian temperatures were the norm for most of the Phanerozoic Eon (the last 541 million years), and these were exceeded only by a brief increase during the Permian Period (298.9 million to 252.2 million years ago) near the end of the Paleozoic Era. Cooler temperatures, similar to the average global temperature of the present day, occurred during the end of the Ordovician, during the later part of the Carboniferous (358.9 million to 298.9 million years ago), in the early part of the Permian, toward the end of the Jurassic (201.3 million to 145 million years ago), and in the early part of the Cretaceous (145 million to 66 million years ago) periods, as well as near the end of the Oligocene Epoch (33.9 million to 23 million years ago).


http://www.britannica.com/science/Cambrian-Period

Present-day global temperatures are around 14.0°C. Pump that up to 22 °C and see how much ice melts and seas rise. Geez.
glitterbag
 
  1  
Mon 28 Dec, 2015 11:53 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Game player.........and a nasty game player at that.


I suppose that's a possibily, but could you please check the spelling, because I cannot decipher your remarks.
You can write in smooth English, but please expand the other questions, or not, I suppose I don't really need to read fully-fleshed remarks.
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Briancrc
 
  2  
Tue 29 Dec, 2015 04:35 am
@FBM,
I agree, FBM. The time series you shared shows a cyclical pattern of "rapid" increasing trends followed by "relatively gradual" decreasing trends over 50-100,000 yr periods. The range in 400k years of displayed data for CO2 is b/w 180 and 300ppm. That's more than enough time to predict that we should have been entering another period of decreasing trends in CO2, but instead, experienced a sudden level increase.

The data for the last 150 years is so radically different from the previous 100's of thousands of years. To argue that the display does not have a complete enough range on the x-axis is simply red herring.

CO2 jumped up dramatically in the last 150 years. The evolution of man-made technologies post the industrial revolution being a primary variable responsible for the observed changes in CO2 seems a very reasonable explanation.
FBM
 
  2  
Tue 29 Dec, 2015 04:49 am
@Briancrc,
Briancrc wrote:

...To argue that the display does not have a complete enough range on the x-axis is simply red herring.
...


As well as moving the goal posts...

But, yeah, a pattern going back 650k years suddenly and without precedence shows a spike like that? That's a game changer.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 29 Dec, 2015 06:09 am
@FBM,
SO?

As there would likely had been as must or more land that you could have nice long growing seasons in available and the temperatures are hardly live threatening either.

Must prefer that kind of climate to one that have ice glaciers miles thick covering most of the land and short shout growing seasons for crops.
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 29 Dec, 2015 06:24 am
@Briancrc,
Quote:
The evolution of man-made technologies post the industrial revolution being a primary variable responsible for the observed changes in CO2 seems a very reasonable explanation.


So?

No matter how the extra CO2 arrived on the site that does not mean that the results will be more harmful then beneficence as a whole or that the computer models predictions to the degree of climate changes are accurate in any manner.

Given the choice of risking large sea level raises or risking ice sheets a few miles thick over most of the northern US it seem a no brainer.

An do not forget that mother earth long before mankind had produce an atmosphere of 7000 ppm of CO2 over 17 times the current reading for that gas.

Climate with or without mankind is always in a state of flux and just 20,000 years ago the bulk of the US was an ice cover waste land.
FBM
 
  1  
Tue 29 Dec, 2015 06:40 am
@BillRM,
Again in English, please?
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