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Your favorite museums

 
 
Eva
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 12:53 pm
Here it is.

http://www.gilcrease.org/gilcreasecollection.html
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 12:59 pm
Genarally, Eva, the Amon Carter Museum is thaught to have the single most important collection of works by Frederic Remington and Charles M. Russell :wink:
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 12:59 pm
Merry Andrew...they're ENLARGING the Boston MFA? My God, it took me two days to see it all as it is!

The Isabella Stewart Gardiner is gorgeous...even more for the villa than for the collection. I found several wonderful paintings there that I couldn't appreciate for the lack of lighting.

The Botticelli Room at the Uffizi had me... speechless. But then, the whole of Florence had that effect on me.

The Nelson-Atkins in Kansas City is a remarkable museum...one of my favorites. They have a particular Caravaggio there that moves me every time I see it.
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 01:03 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Genarally, Eva, the Amon Carter Museum is thaught to have the single most important collection of works by Frederic Remington and Charles M. Russell :wink:


I didn't know that, Walter. Every time I go to Ft. Worth, I get sucked in by the Kimball. (It's practically next door.) My personal preference is for European art, but I will have to make the Carter next time.

The Gilcrease is a remarkable museum, though.
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 01:10 pm
My all-time favorite art museum is only six blocks from my house. The Philbrook Museum of Art is housed in an Italianate mansion built by an oil tycoon in the 1920s. Not only do they have an exceptional collection of Italian Renaissance paintings that I adore, but the grounds are unbelievable. This is where I go to think.

Come walk with me: http://www.philbrook.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?T0=357
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 04:21 pm
Thank you for those links, Eva. I see I'll have to find my way to Tulsa the next time I'm in the Sooner State. (No idea when that will be, however.) I was in Fort Worth earlier this year (June) but the schedule was too tight to allow any museum visits.

Yes, the MFA in Bston is getting another addition. The wing which houses the decorative arts has been closed off to visitors while ground is being broken for the new addition. You can probably find some info on the schedule at the museum's main website at www.mfa.org
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 07:21 pm
I hadn't heard of the Philbrook before, and it looks like my kind of place all right. (I am dead certain I would love the Isabella Stewart Gardener, and I already love the Phillips Collection, spelling not checked on any of those. And I like the Crocker Museum in Sacramento, a bit more modest in aim.)
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 07:26 pm
Caravaggios... I especially like seeing them in churches (there are lots of them in Roman churches) but the light tends to be dim, difficult for osso. Last time I was there, though, there was a Caravaggio extravaganza exhibit at the Barberini Palace. I was very jet lagged but zoned in just standing in the room, hardly moving, absorbing Caravaggio vibes.
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 07:32 pm
The Barberini Palace was closed when I was in Rome, osso. But we stayed at a hotel right across the street from it. I SO wanted to see inside the palace! What was it like?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 11:23 pm
I had only seen the gates the first time I was there... very fancy.

The time I actually went in and saw the show, when it was the Caravaggio show, we had trouble finding the room...but then we were in jetlag. This was when I went with a friend of my ex (no, she was not in love with him or if she was it didn't work) who fairly begged to go along with me, and I didn't mind, at first, given that we would see what I needed to for my piazza research, not going to Rome by myself. (We got to be snarly.)
We went there after checking into our slummo room (recommended by me, the hotel was okay when J and I stayed before and she wanted to go very cheap, as in $30. ea a night. Convenient hotel, nice family, sortashitty rooms. But then I kind of like the place, and the pasticceria across the street.

Personally, I wanted to stay at the Villa san Pio, but that is more dollars. I did end that trip there.

I don't mean to entirely dump on her, but it didn't work. I do hate to have someone trailing behind me so I can't talk..., waiting for me to say what to do...... There are probably two sides to this story. I think her pov was that I am arrogant.

Could be true, under all.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2004 11:45 pm
To reconnoiter, the Barberini Palace. I feel a certain attachment, for various near useless reasons. OK,
one, I like the two churches just south of there, the San Carlo Borromeo and Sant'Andrea del'Quirinale.
The first one by Borromini and the second by Bernini, two jewels. And a few doors north on V. Barberini? is the Barberini palace. Now, I don't personally feel comfy there, but a friend did work as a governess for a while for the family, and I know her and you know me, so there we go, not entirely closed out, mentally, anyway.

I am not so keen on attachments to aristocracy, as such, all that is piffle, but I like having a sense of myself in space and time.

That said, then I saw the Caravaggio show, appreciated it, and felt better about the palace, personally, as it stands in time.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 04:21 pm
Yes, Osso, there are always two sides to the story: mine and the sh*thead's. Cool

Or the right one and the wrong one.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 04:56 pm
Osso--

Traveling is a test of any relationship. Travel can destroy a love affair, let alone a temporary alliance with the friend of a former friend.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 09:04 pm
Eva, I didn't see much of the palace inside.. just the big room with the Caravaggios... which I remember as having a lot of dark wood.

I do keep going back to the Palazzo Doria Pamphilj, which has a Galleria on one floor... maybe you've been there. Very opulent. So opulent I don't know where to look. Look at the floor! Look at the ceiling! Oh, look at all the paintings!

(I see I'm repeating myself, I talked about this gallery on page one here.)
Galleria Doria Pamphilj
Yikes, click on the 3D tour...
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Eva
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 11:45 pm
I did! In fact, I just spent about 45 minutes there. What a wonderful site...thank you! I was fascinated by the ceilings as much as the artworks.

There are so many wonderful museums and churches in Italy, I think it would take a lifetime to see them all. A true embarrassment of riches.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2004 12:32 pm
In The Boston Globe today, a piece on the Gardner museum expansion -
(Link below the article)

Gardner museum to grow
1903 institution plans tripling space in 1st major expansion
By Geoff Edgers, Globe Staff  |  November 29, 2004
The Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum, whose construction has remained the same since it opened in 1903, will announce today its first major expansion.


Officials have hired Italian architect Renzo Piano to design a multistory building for the museum's Fenway site. Piano, who won the Pritzker Prize for architecture in 1998, built the Nasher Sculpture Center in Dallas and was hired earlier this month to design the expansion of New York's Whitney Museum.

If successful, the project would triple the Gardner's special exhibitions space, move the cafe and administrative offices out of the ornate "Palace," and create a new main entrance. It would mark a dramatic leap for the museum, which has long wrestled with ways to modernize its operation without violating the strict, legal limits Isabella Stewart Gardner created to maintain the museum's distinctive atmosphere. Gardner, the art collector and Boston socialite, modeled the museum after a 15th-century Venetian palace and lived on its fourth floor until her death in 1924.
 Map of proposed museum expansion

"The museum can't keep functioning as it is," said director Anne Hawley. "It was never meant to have 100 people working for it, or to have a cafe, or to have a coat check space. This plan allows for moving all of that out of the Palace."

The expansion would not alter the museum's collection, a requirement of Gardner's will. But Hawley said that it would better protect the art, which includes paintings by Rembrandt, Michelangelo, and Degas. Gardner's will has helped maintain the museum of her vision as a special art palace. It is known not only for the 2,500 paintings, sculptures, tapestries, and rare books in its collection, but for the central flowering courtyard. To commemorate Gardner's birthday each April, the museum hangs 8-foot nasturtiums from the balconies.

But the Gardner's timeless nature has also created a challenge for its directors, who have not been able to turn to the money-making ventures typical of a modern museum. The Gardner does operate a gift shop and cafe, but the spaces are cramped. The museum has only a 545-square-foot room for special exhibits. It cannot have more than 500 people in the building at one time, which also limits its ability to host profitable corporate events. The Gardner has an annual budget of roughly $8 million.

"This is long overdue," said Boston historian Douglas Shand-Tucci, author of "The Art of Scandal: The Life and Times of Isabella Stewart Gardner." "And Renzo Piano is not likely to do anything that is not absolutely exquisite."

Though museum officials say it is too early to estimate, the cost of a new building would probably be at least $60 million. Hawley said she hopes to get the work finished by 2010, though that could change. The Museum of Fine Arts plans to finish its dramatic expansion, down the street, in 2009.

No money has been raised yet, but the Gardner has begun making presentations to city officials, including Mayor Thomas M. Menino. "We're very encouraged by what we've seen," said Menino. "I totally approve of what they want to do."

Despite Menino's support, the project is far from a reality. After developing a design, the Gardner will need to work through the permitting process with the Boston Redevelopment Authority. The museum's plan will need to meet city requirements and address any concerns raised by neighbors.

The new building would potentially sit next to the 15,000-square-foot current museum on land acquired by the Gardner in 1969 and 1970. Piano is being asked to design a 45,000-square-foot building that would not overwhelm the Gardner's home, which is affectionately known as "The Palace." To make room for the expansion, six greenhouses on the Gardner's land along Evans Way will probably be removed. The main entrance would move from the Fenway to Evans Way.

Gardner officials say the museum has needed to expand for years, and Hawley remembers it being discussed when she took over in 1989. But Hawley decided the museum should focus first on renovating its existing space. In 1999, the Gardner completed its first capital campaign, raising $28 million for art conservation and to install a climate control system. The Gardner is in the midst of a $22 million fund-raising campaign that will, in part, increase its endowment. The Gardner's endowment is approximately $75 million, which covers 80 percent of its operating expenses, according to Hawley.

The Gardner is also the site of the largest art heist ever. On March 18, 1990, two men dressed as Boston police officers stole 13 pieces, including paintings by Rembrandt, Degas, and Vermeer. The works have not been recovered.

Hawley said she is not concerned about competing with other cultural institutions for cash. The region has been in the midst of a museum building boom. The Peabody Essex Museum in Salem finished its expansion in 2003. The MFA expansion is part of a $425 million capital campaign. The Institute of Contemporary Art is raising $62 million to build its new home, a glass-walled, waterfront building on South Boston's Fan Pier that is expected to open in 2006.

"The community's being asked to do a lot, but there are so many people who haven't been asked," said Hawley.

Piano will come to Boston in December to interview staff and walk through the Gardner as he works to develop a design for the new building. He was selected after a nearly yearlong search.

Advisers during this process included Henri Zerner, a Harvard University art history professor; Barry Munitz, president of the J. Paul Getty Trust; and John L. Gardner, chairman of the museum's board of trustees and Gardner's great-great nephew. Robert Campbell, the Boston Globe's architecture critic, has also served as a consultant.

Hawley said the new building will not be taller than the Gardner. She also said that one of Piano's biggest challenges will be developing a new entrance. Currently, visitors walk in off the busy Fenway, through a narrow doorway, and into the majestic courtyard.

The architect comes with a bonus. Raymond Nasher, the mall developer-turned-art collector, is planning to visit the Gardner in December along with Piano. Nasher grew up on Mallard Avenue in Dorchester and has contributed to his alma mater, Boston Latin. But his cultural donations have been in his adopted hometown, Dallas, where he hired Piano to build the Nasher Sculpture Center. Hawley said that the Gardner does not intend to ask Nasher for money, only advice. "He'll teach me to be a good client," said Hawley. "He's a wonderful man and he's on fire about art."

Geoff Edgers can be reached at [email protected] 
Boston Globe article on the expansion
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ladelfina
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 04:15 am
Rodin museum?
No one mentioned the Rodin museum in Paris. Is it as lovely as I remember it? It's 20 years or more since I've been, and I just recall it as a welcome medicine for the "art OD" of the Louvre: quiet spaces, uncrowded, a large villa with outside park for larger pieces like the statue of Balzac and the Burghers of Calais (?). Initimate and moving.

I shudder to think at a 45,000 s.f. Renzo Piano hovering over the genteel Gardner! His Auditorium (recently completed in Rome) looks great inside (judging from the photos) but outside looks like 2 or 3 giant grey pillbugs trying to mate. Sigh. Brand names sell. The Gardner desperately needs alternate space for administration/cafe'/sales, etc., but this sounds like serious overkill.

-an ex-Bostonian
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