China finally comes to the dance....with Putin.

@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I'm pretty damned unhappy about the possibility of this new alliance.

I really only see one "dire" threat from Russia, and that is the possibility that Putin will invade Latvia/Lithuania/Estonia in the foolish belief that we are soft and will let him get away with it.

In reality the US will immediately go to war in order to kick Russia out of those states, and war between the US and Russia always carries a grave risk of escalating to the use of nuclear weapons.

If we can avoid miscalculations that lead to nuclear war, we should be able to deal with Russia and China just fine, regardless of whether or not they are in an alliance with each other.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

It is them against the West, and I dont like our chances. The West has way too much dry rot.

Apart from a miscalculation that leads to nuclear war, I do not perceive any threat at all from such an alliance.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

We had better catch up to reality PDQ, because we face China trying to do the same thing, and they have 20 times the raw power of Putin's Russia. If we dont learn now we are toast, and it will happen quickly.

An alliance of Russia and China does not amount to the strength of a single superpower.

The United States, alone, is a superpower.

As long as we can avoid conflicts that escalate to a nuclear war, we'll be fine.

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@oralloy,

Quote:

The United States, alone, is a superpower.

Used to be.

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@hawkeye10,

The United States remains the world's lone superpower.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I welcome any articles or fact-based opinions speaking to trends toward China-Russian alliance.

Educated people know that some sources are more reliable than others, they don't pick any old crap that fuels their paranoia.

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@Lash,

Well, it's over a month later, and China never got involved in Syria. In fact, Russia might be leaving soon.

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@Blickers,

Check out the <diplomat.com>.

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@cicerone imposter,

I checked out that site and seems to be an advertising/redirect type site. Are you sure that's the site you wanted me to go to?

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@Blickers,

Quite a feather in Putin's cap.

He may have enjoyed China's help, but not in plain site.

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@Lash,

Putin accomplished what he wanted to do, apparently, which is to keep Assad in office, at least for now. And while it looks like he's got the Crimea permanently, it also looks like he's giving up on helping the Ukrainian rebels, who can't beat the Ukrainian army without the help of Russian troops, (which Putin denies are in the country). Ukraine is in the process of joining the EU, which Putin tried to stop.

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@Blickers,

There are so many competing interests in Syria. I can't help but shy away from regime change after our recent attempts. We are forever seeming to think the monster in charge must go, and when he does a more insidious entity fills the new vacuum.

Meanwhile, my own president orders drone murders and the NSA has unlimited rights to my "private life."

Why are we so hot to regime change again?

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@Blickers,

Look up on wikipedia.org, china-russia relations.

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Our man in Moscow has been busy taking over the world. Mr Obama, to his credit, has shaved some strokes from his game.

Score another one for Pooty.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/28/u-s-fears-grow-of-a-newly-awakened-russian-navy.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

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@Lash,

Lash, Not to worry. The US and our allies are no match for Putin's Navy, Army, and/or Air Force combined. We surround Russia. Russia is one country, most of which is inhabitable. Who is their enemy? Themselves.

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@Lash,

Why do you conservatives so much love to praise a tinpot dictator like Putin who murders his opponents and is leading his country right into disaster? All that Putin has done is temporarily preserv Assad in power, and if you listened to the Republican debate most of the GOP wants Assad to remain in power anyway. Meanwhile, as far as the Russian Navy goes, this is the ONE aircraft carrier the Russian Navy has:

"The Admiral Kuznetsov, Russia’s only aircraft carrier, was launched in 1985 and joined the fleet in 1991. Since then the 55,000-ton, fossil-fuel-powered flattop has managed just four frontline deployments—all of them to the Mediterranean, and all of them just a few months in duration.

By contrast, American flattops typically deploy for at least six months every two years. The nuclear-powered USS Enterprise, commissioned in 1962, completed 25 deployments before leaving service in 2012.

One of Admiral Kuznetsov’s major problems is her powerplant. The vessel is powered by steam turbines and turbo-pressurized boilers that Defense Industry Daily generously described as “defective.” Anticipating breakdowns, large ocean-going tugs accompany Admiral Kuznetsov whenever she deploys.

Poor maintenance makes life difficult and dangerous for Admiral Kuznetsov’s 1,900 sailors. A short circuit started a fire off Turkey in 2009 that killed one seaman.

Her pipes are bad. “When it’s this cold, water freezes everywhere including pipes which may cause a rupture,” English Russia reported. “To prevent this, they just don’t supply almost 60 percent of the cabins with water (neither in winter nor in summer). The situation with latrines is just as bad. The ship has over 50 latrines but half of them are closed.”

Almost 2,000 men. Twenty-five latrines. Do the math. Training and morale are so poor that in 2009 Admiral Kuznetsov sailors apparently botched an at-sea refueling, spilling hundreds of tons of fuel into the Irish Sea, pictured at left.

And even when the ship functions as intended, her design limits her utility. Admiral Kuzentsov does not have steam catapults like American flatttops do. Instead, her Sukhoi fighters launch into the air off a bow ramp. The fighters must stay light, meaning they can carry only a few air-to-air missiles and a partial fuel load. Their patrol endurance is measured in minutes rather than hours.

English Russia summed up the Russian aircraft carrier’s fundamental limitations succinctly. “Actual aircrafts visit this ship pretty rarely.” "
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/your-aircraft-carrier-is-a-piece-of-crap-f3f52d299588#.2puq8llez

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@cicerone imposter,

I'm not worried. I think Putin's done a good job fighting ISIS, and I wish we'd relieve that part of the world of our "intense guidance," and allow others like Russia to "influence" the region.

If they hate us for meddling, let us stop.

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@Blickers,

Interesting: Putin must know and understand the limitations of his Navy.

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@Blickers,

Are you unable to discuss the facts about Syria and our role in the region without ad hominems?

We remove regimes and wind up with our fists and feet in tar babies. Don't you eventually learn your country is as bad as theirs?

We should stop.

Hillary Clinton was the only candidate who wanted to remove Assad. Most Democrats disagree.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

There are so many competing interests in Syria. I can't help but shy away from regime change after our recent attempts. We are forever seeming to think the monster in charge must go, and when he does a more insidious entity fills the new vacuum.

Meanwhile, my own president orders drone murders and the NSA has unlimited rights to my "private life."

Why are we so hot to regime change again?

Do you honestly believe NSA gives a good god-damn what you are doing?? Doesn't anyone have a clue what the mission is for all the Departments?? You should worry more about the FBI, but only if you are a drug king-pin or involved in international kiddy-porn. What in the world are you doing that makes you believe NSA is interested in you.

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