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The "prove you aren't a zombie" challenge

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Tuna
 
Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 06:39 pm
Those around you see that you speak and act like a human. Do you profess to be more than a p-zombie? Can you prove it?
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Tuna
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 08:07 pm
@Tuna,
Does everybody know what a p-zombie is?
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 08:09 pm
an incontinent brain eater

do they make Depends for the undead?
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Tuna
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 08:12 pm
@Tuna,
Do you believe you're more than a mechanism? The challenge is directed at those who would say yes, but if you don't believe you are more than that, feel free to add your thoughts.
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 08:17 pm
@Tuna,
i think i'm about 4/5ths organism and 1/5th cheese doodles
Tuna
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 08:20 pm
@djjd62,
OMG
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 09:09 pm
@Tuna,
Quote:
Do you profess to be more than a p-zombie? Can you prove it?


My voting record proves it. I haven't voted for a democrat for president since 1976...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a6YdNmK77k

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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 01:08 pm
@Tuna,
Tuna wrote:
Do you profess to be more than a p-zombie? Can you prove it?

That depends. What would you accept as proof?
Tuna
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 03:25 pm
@joefromchicago,
I don't think there is any proof. I assume you are more.
layman
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 03:37 pm
@Tuna,
Quote:
Do you profess to be more than a p-zombie? Can you prove it?


Can you, or anyone else, prove I is that?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 04:14 pm
@Tuna,
Tuna wrote:
I don't think there is any proof.

Then your challenge isn't fair and you're not being honest.

Tuna wrote:
I assume you are more.

More what?
layman
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 04:16 pm
@joefromchicago,
Quote:
More what?


More than.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 04:37 pm
Mmmmmm . . . cheese doodles . . .
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Tuna
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 05:48 pm
@joefromchicago,

joe wrote:
Then your challenge isn't fair and you're not being honest.

It's a trick question. Doesn't mean somebody couldn't have knocked my socks off with an amazing answer. I would have gone the morality route. Or maybe G.E. Moore: you treat me like I'm more than a p-zombie, so if you say I'm not, you're being inconsistent.

It was one of my first threads (probably one of my last). Cut me some slack.

joe wrote:
More what?

More than a p-zombie.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 05:56 pm
As defined by Wikipedia:

Quote:
A philosophical zombie or p-zombie in the philosophy of mind and perception is a hypothetical being that is indistinguishable from a normal human being except in that it lacks conscious experience, qualia, or sentience.


Such an individual would not be posting in this thread, nor any other thread.
Tuna
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 06:31 pm
@Setanta,
Why not?
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 06:37 pm
@Tuna,
Give me your best guess, and I'll let you know if you're right.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 06:38 pm
@Tuna,
I can't believe you asked that question.

The Wikipedia article wrote:
. . . it lacks conscious experience, qualia, or sentience.


Do you really think someone who is not sentient can post online? This may be a problem of you having a private, idiosyncratic definition of "p-zombie."
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 06:43 pm
@Tuna,
Tuna wrote:
It's a trick question.

Not a trick question - those have answers. More like a rigged carny game.

Tuna wrote:
you treat me like I'm more than a p-zombie, so if you say I'm not, you're being inconsistent.

Hunh?

Tuna wrote:
It was one of my first threads (probably one of my last). Cut me some slack.

Don't feel bad. A lot of people around here fall for crap like that, and I don't post much these days, so you may have better luck next time.
Tuna
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 07:35 pm
@Setanta,
A p-zombie is kind of like a computer pimped out with motion sensors, speakers, and locomotion equipment. It tells you that it experiences the world because it's programmed to say that. It's constructed so well that it can converse, apply logic, and do all the things a sentient entity would do including making mistakes and straying into the folly of arrogance and spite. It appears to be sentient, but this is an illusion. It's all programmed behavior.

Eliminative materialism says that all humans are essentially p-zombies. The alternative views are diverse, but include people like Nagel and Chalmers. Either path is kind of treacherous. It's a "pick your poison" situation.
 

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